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resolved Troper camping on the Sonic Adventure 2 pages. Videogame
Troper L Fisher has been cutting multiple edits that portray GUN (one of the antagonists of Sonic Adventure 2) exactly as negatively as the game itself does, and making edits that partially exonerate them for committing mass murder ("but the Black Arms!"); they also tend to cut any mention that GUN was implied to be framing Sonic. While all this has been going on for a while, my personal last straw was them doing both of these recently, reducing the "Frame-Up" entry to a single sentence that isn't even accurate (Shadow didn't frame Sonic, at least not intentionally).
Not only is it extremely difficult to make edits about GUN on these pages, but I feel that this is treading uncomfortably close to apologia for real-world atrocities.
resolved Very Questionable Troping Videogame
The one-month-old account TNO Enjoyer has been displaying a pattern of bizarre behaviour. I don't have the time to catalogue it all in detail, but it includes and is not limited to:
- Creating the subpage Characters.TNO Legacy Denmark, and an invalid Analysis page for it. The former was cut for duplicating content already on TNO Europe.
- Adding an entry on FanWorks.Hearts Of Iron for "Chronicles Of Elementa", which is described only as an "upcoming mod". This was later removed by another Troper.
- Creating the page "Chronicles Elementa", which was cut as a stub.
- Creating a Characters page for "Elementa Chronicles'', and several sub-pages for it, without a corresponding work page.
- Creating then abandoning the misspelled page "Characters.Chroniclesof Elementa".
- Adding a blank folder to Characters.TNO Misc.
- Creating two more troll stubs, Characters.Revolutionaries, and Revolutionaries.Characters containing only the word "Bruh".
I know absolutely nothing about Hearts of Iron and its clearly extensive fan-work community, but there are no results for "Elementa Chronicles" on Google whosoever, unless you count misspellings of a Minecraft fanwork series named the Elementia Chronicles. I can't tell if this Troper is a troll or vandal, or simply trying to trope their own unpublished mod, in which case it should be on Darth Wiki. In any case, they've made an awful lot of stubs.
Update: I have sent Characters.Chroniclesof Elementa, Characters.Revolutionaries, Revolutionaries.Characters, and Analysis.TNO Legacy Denmark to the Cut List, the former three for being stubs, the latter for namespace misuse. Edited by Azorius24
resolved Question regarding "Flame Bait" being used to justify readding something. Videogame
On the Franchise Original Sin World of Warcraft page, there was an entry talking about Creator's Favorite towards the Horde. The entry is long so I won't post the whole thing but the point of the entry was to point out of Blizzard has always had, on some level, favoritism towards a faction. When it was made, this was how it started:
- Blizzard having some measure of preference for the Horde (albeit not necessary in a good way) could be seen as early as Warcraft 2, where it was revealed the Horde had won the events of the first game, and were so strong that it took internal sabotage for them to lose the war against the Alliance.
Sometime in August I removed the part in parenthesis. I forgot to leave a reason why which was on me but my reasoning was because it seemed out of place and didn't make sense. The entry was talking about the idea of Blizzard favoring a faction, regardless of if the outcome is good or bad for it.
On 10/28, Monsund readded the (albeit not necessary in a good way) bit, citing Removing that bit is basically Flame Bait.
I'm not sure how that would count since the entry is supposed to be speaking broadly, and while Franchise Original Sin is YMMV and opinion based, adding that bit in seems more likely to be Flame Bait since its outright steering the point away from more neutral discussion on favoritism, into just saying "Blizzard is making bad favoritism" towards characters.
Edited by keyblade333resolved Evony's warnings Videogame
Evony has this warning at the top and bottom of all subpages:
Readers are encouraged to avoid this game entirely. It is a spyware program in disguise.
Should we remove it? I mean, I already get that it's spyware, and it wasn't necessarily needed.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMresolved Is "needlessly vindicitive" a proper edit reason for removal? Videogame
Black Yakuzu 94 removed several entries from the one of the recap pages for Fate/Grand Order, claiming to be "removing needlessly vindicitive comments". Their removal of certain tropes from the YMMV page for that recap page but without an edit reason prompts to ask if that is a legitimate reasoning, if the entries were actually that, or if this was a case of agenda based editing.
Removals from the main page:
- Asshole Victim: Even before Morgan's backstory was revealed, the majority of Faeries that the protagonist encounters outside their closest allies are jerks, backstabbers, manipulators, pretenders, violent murderers and worse. And then there's Morgan's backstory which is just an endless cycle of her being betrayed by the very Faeries she's trying to save. It makes her harsh oppression of them as the Queen almost justifiable.
- Kick The Son Of A Bitch: Oberon Vortigern is the final boss and the eventual Arc Villain, and he intends to destroy all of Proper Human History after escaping the Lostbelt alongside killing off Chaldea to keep them from stopping him. Definitely not a good guy in the slightest. But... when he actually accelerated the destruction of the ungrateful Faerie races? And that he boasts that at least he succeeded in destroying Fairy Britain? Well, seeing just how horrific they are, it can be tempting to pat Oberon Vortigern's shoulders and tell him 'job well done'. Same with Cernunnos' reawakening and then giving Oberon Vortigern what he needed to start his plan.
- World of Jerkass: While other Lostbelts are very much definition of Crapsack World, they were inhabited with complicated beings who are capable of both good and bad. This Lostbelt is notorious for having a majority of its inhabitants being selfish, backstabbing, greedy, lazy, ungrateful, manipulative assholes, while decent faeries can be counted with two hands at most and those tend to be met with horrific ends at the hands of the asshole ones. It was these inherent self-destructive tendencies 'in the name of fun' that led the world to ruin (with Morgan adopting tyranny to put up any semblance of order, and even that was only temporary until she was ousted and betrayed). The EX Difference Depth classification of the Lostbelt isn't just for show.
Altered on the main page (Bold portion was removed)
- Downer Ending: While previous Lostbelts all end in a bittersweet note, this one's ending is really bleak. The entirety of the Faerie British Isle is torn to pieces by the Calamities, with the only three characters surviving it until the world's end being Melusine Albion, who is just barely holding herself together, Oberon Vortigern, who is stuck inside the Insect of the Abyss so that it can't escape outside, and Aurora, who is slowly dying anyway. Furthermore, Chaldea's secondary mission to retrieve Rhongomyniad ends up failing as the lances were all used to try to kill Cernunnos and they were unable to save anyone from the Lostworld. Sion also hints in the ending that Chaldea's good luck streak of conquering Lostbelts without casualties is about to end. The only good that came out of it is stopping the world from being destroyed and they were able to get an alternate tool, a physical version of Excalibur, to defeat the Foreign God. There’s also the silver lining that all the malignant Faeries deserved what they got for being such assholes of the highest order and put everyone, including the world itself, through hell for their selfishness and fickle nature.
- Mercy Kill: What the heroes have to end up doing to the few good fairies who really didn't deserve to die
Removed from the YMMV page
- Catharsis Factor: Unlike the first five Lostbelts, the players will probably be very happy to see Cosmos Denial after completing the chapter considering how awful the fae are.
resolved Biased/Inflammatory example in a YMMV Persona page? Videogame
The edit on the Values Dissonance section of the Persona page done by user Key Wii J feels like an attempt to assert a biased opinion and feels like it's framed in a very inflammatory way - especially the statement regarding the so-called "Western Progressives", which seems a bit off to me. Anyone else think this?
Edited by Makirresolved Edit War on YMMV / Total War Warhammer III Videogame
Per the page's edit history, we have an Edit War in progress.
Paging noozeelander, FudgetMuppet and cricri3007 to this thread.
resolved How should we mark attack names if they are said in-universe Videogame
( This was originally posted on the Trails Cleanup thread but I decided to ask again here since it might apply to other game series other than the Trails Series)
So I've been exchanging dms with Mr Derpy Kid 2 about how to approach attacks names.
To keep it brief, they've been removing the qoute marks on both nicknames and attack names on various pages on Characters.Trails Series. While I'm fine with the nicknames qoute mark being removed, I'm admittedly a bit more iffy on the attack names. According to them, many of the attack names and orbal arts are said in-universe, but I'm still not 100% sure if that's a warrant on removing quote marks. It doesn't help that, according to this ATT, there's no definitive way of marking attacks on this site (wheter or not if the characters call out attack names).
So my best option now is to ask here, so we can make a definitive decision.
Edited by Ayumi-chanresolved Broken Aesop misuse for Danganronpa? Videogame
Recently a Broke Aesop page was created for the Danganronpa series by troper Lord Twi Bill. Reading through the page, I can't help but feel it was written as an outlet to rant about the series. It's written with a strangely vitriolic tone; it comes across as snidely insulting, rather than just explaining why the series' Aesops are broken. The fact this was all written by one troper doesn't help either.
Shouldn't a Broken Aesop page be straightforward? Everything written in the Danganronpa page seems subjective, extremely so. I don't think the page was written in a professional manner.
What are your thoughts on this? I wasn't sure how to put this across, but I look forward to reading what you guys think.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/BrokenAesop/Danganronpa
Edited by DatOrkyGitresolved Reporting someone for Edit warring Videogame
Over an hour ago I had noticed that the page image on the Mortal Kombat – Kuai Liang character page had been changed from the character’s most recent design from Mortal Kombat 11 to his design from Mortal Kombat: Deception by the user Shrakking. Since all of the other Mortal Kombat character pages use their respective character’s most recent design for the page image and no proper reason had been given for the change (the only thing they said in their edit reason was “Shredder Subby”), I changed it back to what it was before, only to just now discover that Shrakking has changed it back again, this time with no edit reason at all, and in doing so has started an edit war.
Edit: I have checked Shrakking’s edit history and have discovered that they’ve now done the same thing with the Mortal Kombat – Hanzo Hasashi character page.
Edited by CorvusIXresolved Edit War on YMMV Danganronpa 2 Videogame
Sayafan 17 has been editing YMMV.Danganronpa 2 Goodbye Despair's page for quite a while, and has recently re-added various entries that they have written on the page, with this being the reason for their most recent edit:
These various edits include some light readjusting on Hiyoko Saionji's character on a more favorable light, as well as bloating some entries, and some light bashing on Fuyuhiko's character.
Edited by TheWrongOne41resolved Trolling, edit warring Videogame
User Calm Hill Of Treasures,
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=CalmHillOfTreasures
has been engaging in blatant agenda-based edit warring and trolling on the ymmv page for Unicorn Overlord,
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/UnicornOverlord
Their particular focus is the Woolseyism trope (a noisy minority of chuds on twitter have raised a big stink over the localization).
Calm Hill has ignored invitations to discuss issues they have with the example, their edit reasons have been utter nonsense (citing Zero Context Examples despite including more than sufficient context), they've deleted Les Yay and Ho Yay from the same page because, "Grammar", they deleted a Crowning Funny example (that has a quote from the localization) because "typo", and they re-worded the Woolseysim trope to be hostile to the localization because, "fixing a sinkhole", before just deleting their own revised version because, "Grammar".
Edited by Raxisresolved Kingdom Come: Deliverance page quote Videogame
The current page quote for Kingdom Come: Deliverance is a bothersomely-gushy review quote that (even putting aside my...rather complicated opinion of the individual the quote comes from) I'm not sure works as well as a quote from the game would. At first, I thought of replacing it with the first line of the opening narration, particularly since the Memetic Mutation example on the game's YMMV page seems to imply that the line is well-known among the game's audience. But I haven't yet played the game, so I'm not sure if there's a better quote. Does anyone have any ideas?
Edited by Akriloth2160resolved Edit war Videogame
- On March 8, 2022, North Wind Gray added this example to Trivia.FridayNightFunkinTailsGetsTrolled.
- Crossover-Enthusiast deleted the entry on March 13, citing that trivia tropes can’t be played with.
- On March 14, North Wind Gray added the example back without citing an edit reason.
resolved Re-adding a pothole Videogame
On Characters.Fire Emblem Fates Corrin, troper rmctagg09 removed a Surprisingly Realistic Outcome pothole since it was "not particularly surprising". However user Lord Twibill added it back with a (imo) rude edit reason. Tagg already reported it here but I feel like this is concerning enough to warrant an ATT report.
Edit: Turns out that this is edit-warring:
Edited by Ayumi-chanresolved Unilateral character page change Videogame
Jack Carlin ([1]) seems to have unilaterally moved an entire character profile from Characters.Super Mario Bros Allies to Characters.Super Mario Bros The Princesses. Can i get a consensus if their changes can stay or if they should be reverted?
resolved Unspoilered context for spoilers Videogame
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet currently has an almost-entirely-white example for its Magnificent Bastard entry. It was not like that previously: I wrote part of it outside the spoilers to give context. For the record, here's what it was previously:
- Magnificent Bastard: The Final Bosses of the game caught many players off-guard for how ingenious they are: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
And here's what it looks like now:
- Magnificent Bastard: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
Shooting Star 7 X deleted the non-spoilered context, with the edit reason of "Plently of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard writeups are completely spoilered out, and this addition would make no sense without spoiler markup (i.e. on Magnificent Bastard.Pokemon)."
I don't see the reasoning behind that. "Other examples also do this" isn't good justification; Self-Fulfilling Spoiler points out that fully-spoiled examples are bad writing. Also, "this wouldn't make sense if it wasn't a spoiler" doesn't work either, because the example is a spoiler, and it's not like my addition detracts from the example if it's read in its entirety without a spoiler — at least, in my opinion.
I asked ShootingStar7X in a PM, but they didn't respond to me. I also consulted Magnificent Bastard to see if there's a rule that all MB entries must be fully spoiled, and it doesn't say.
Am I clear to restore the edit I made previously?
resolved A troper who keeps posting dubious tropes on the Final Fantasy 7 Remake Main Character section. Videogame
Someone named Frankie 3 keeps re-posting the same ill-fitting tropes on Tifa Lockhart's character page despite me and other tropers already having pointed out why he needs to stop doing it. Like for example, trying to pin the "Token Good Teammate" label to Tifa when the rest of the party aren't even evil people, at worst having some anti-heroic traits that don't even scale into particularly dark levels. And then there's him posting links to some random wiki to try and add proof of claim when it directly violates troping rule that pages are only for what is found within the work itself. What should be done about him?
Edited by 9thOutworldsManresolved Goodbye Volcano High and Snoot Game Videogame
The other day, I remember seeing a tweet regarding Goodbye Volcano High, which I think is an upcoming but divisive adventure game, which apparently has a 4chan parody of it called Snoot Game. While I read over both pages and didn't see any charged wording, I did see tweets arguing that Snoot Game is queerphobic in regards to the treatment of a non-binary character. I should clarify that I don't know much about either work, nor do I think any of them should be removed for being controversial, but I'm curious if Snoot Game's page is sincere or not.
mrluntishysterical removed the Cross-Dressing Voices entry on Trivia.SuperMarioBrosWonder, citing that Giselle Fernandez is "biologically female", though Giselle themself is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.
I reverted the entry already and sent them a notifier before writing this query, but I have a feeling this may turn into a possible agenda in the long run.