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I understand that creating new pages on a work is generally okay, but is it alright to made a page about a band's particular album? Say for example, a concept album which has many tropes in its lyrics, or a particularly notable album by a band which they are well known for, or just because you like the album and want to give it exposure AND add tropes present in the album, at the same time?
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Alucard (IDK how to access a user history on edits) is popping out the correct link Guns N Roses for Guns N Roses to a ptitle link every time possible, it seems.
Here's a few cases on pages I watch: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.XJapan https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.BarBrawl https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.HidetoMatsumoto
IDK where else he's done it, though I'll be fixing those later if it's OK. <3
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On the page for The Adventures Of Duane And Brand O, a troper named Silent Soundscape is causing a few problems. He's repeatedly adding an example of Berserk Button that is worded to slyly insult one of the works' creators. Both I and Crazed Ninja have removed the example at least once, and he keeps re-adding it.
This wouldn't be too bad, except he also happens to have blanked the entire page at one time (replacing it with "stupid niggershit"), so I don't think this is him honestly trying to be constructive.
I don't want to keep reverting his edit, and I fear that if I do, it will end with us both edit-banned for edit-warring.
Edited by EnlongopenNo Title Music
Okay, so, the Awesome Music section. Just about every example provides a link to the song in question on Youtube. Simple enough, right?
The problem is, and it's an increasingly obvious problem, that because Youtube is very trigger-happy with suspending accounts and/or removing videos due to Terms of Service schmuckery, a frighteningly large number of these links become null and void in an instant. I don't know how badly the other sections and subpages are affected by it, but I can't tell you how many Video Game subpages I browsed through, for instance, where at least half of the song links were broken.
So I guess there's two things I've gotta ask here. 1) Are there any people who regularly keep tabs on the Awesome Music subpages and could potentially fix broken links as they pop up? And if not, then 2) What are we gonna do about linking to songs? Just not do it at all, if we can't be bothered to keep replacing links all the time?
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Why is the Bruno Mars page locked? I see that someone did create a bad page for him under music, but why is the main page locked?
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Asking if we can add a special section on Memetic Mutation for Visual Kei. There's currently some examples under music, but there's a lot that mean nothing to other music fans, but the second they're mentioned to J Rock and Visual Kei fans, almost everyone knows the meme.
Some examples of this would be the following memes:
- LARC EN CIEL IS NOT VK
- Hyde kills whales
- Warumono Kyo
- Jasmine You was an alien
- The other band member is ELMO (also Versailles)
- OH SHIT JUKA or anything involving shit + Juka ex Moi dix Mois (when his scat fetish got outed)
- I HATE (insert name of popular band) Have you ever heard (indies band no one knows of) (this one's from the habit of some VK fans defaulting to It's Popular, So It Sucks! in any argument)
- RICE MONSTER (this one originates from a Myspace post by Yoshiki Hayashi)
- The Piano Guy - what's he doing under there (also related to Yoshiki, the person who's repairing the piano in concerts but fans jokingly think he's providing sexual favors)
- The Hot Roadie (a Dir en grey roadie that looks especially hot has become a meme)
These are just a few I can think of offhand because they stood above all of the others, but there's quite a few, so I'm wondering if we can have a subsection under Memetic Mutation/Music for Visual Kei.
Edited by AGroupieopenNo Title Music
An edit-war of sorts had been happening over the Nonappearing Title entry of Florence + the Machine. More than two users had been adding and deleting "Spectrum" from the list.
If the lyrics sites are correct, the word "spectrum" indeed appears in the song. How should this situation be handled?
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A couple of questions about musician pages.
I know that the policy has been changed that things that happen offstage or that aren't a part of lyrics or promotional videos are no longer allowed on band or musician pages. I'm not trying to challenge that policy, so please don't take this as trying to start a fight over it or chip away at it., but I do have a couple of questions...
1) If something happens offstage has a direct impact on performing, is it allowable to mention? I'll list one clear-cut example and two more gray ones for this.
The first actual example: one of the two primary creative members of a band dies (Munetaka Higuchi of Loudness, for this example). Is it OK to list Author Existence Failure as a trope applying to the band in a case where the dead member was a founding member, lyricist, and played a vital role? Obviously he didn't die onstage or in a performance, but it happened, and made some major changes to performances and more.
As another actual example, at least two bands I can think of have been subject to a Frivolous Lawsuit over their name, and therefore had to change their names slightly (X to X Japan and Versailles to Versailles Philharmonic Quartet. Both suits were definitely that trope. Is it okay, in that case, to list Frivolous Lawsuit as a trope applying to the musicians?
As a hypothetical (and far more gray since it could be seen as libelous) example: a member leaves a band mid-tour due to an arrest or to go to rehab. The tour gets canceled (which is definitely an impact on performance if there ever was one). Would Off the Wagon be all right to include in the page?
2) Are interviews and documented statements allowed? As in, for example, I know that we don't want people calling, say, Justin Bieber a Jerkass, but let's say there's someone who did a published interview and was like "Man, I was really an asshole." Is it allowable in *that* instance to list Jerkass with a link to the person himself saying he was one?
This question's wondering if there's an "In-Universe" equivalent on musicians that would allow for some things about them as people IF they are invoked by the musician himself or herself (and could therefore arguably be seen as part of performance, because in Visual Kei, for example, interviews ARE part of performing)
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A person called fleesome did a null edit to the Lady Gaga WMG page in order to post a rather rude edit reason targeted toward Septimus Heap. Um, should they be PM'd first, or is it a ban straightaway?
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I have a question concerning an example of a trope, but I'm not sure if it counts. The trope in question is Fight Fur Your Right to Party (people in music videos or musical performances wearing fursuits or animal costumes), and I'm wondering if the Mau5heads worn by deadmau5 when he performs (and some of his groupies, too) count as an example of this trope. I'm just not sure if it counts or not, because it's not in a music video per se. Anyone wanna help a Troper out? :)
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In the interest of avoiding EditWars, I'd like to double-check a point of restoration etiquette.
Last Thursday, someone deleted a page quote with the reason "the hell does this mean?" [sic]. I added a Null Edit that explained the quote, and asked him to start a Discussion thread if he had reasons for removing it other than not picking up the reference. It's been five days with no response, and I'm wondering if it'd be kosher to restore the deleted quote with a note of explanation.
Edited by JhimmibhobopenNo Title Music
Burzum has a Crowning Moment Of Awesome page. I know that musicians are allowed to have YMMV/crowning/etc. pages, but this is the full content of the page:
- If half the stuff people said about Euronymous was true (Threatening rivals, stealing ideas, pushing Dead to even further self-harm and eventually suicide) then Varg finally standing up and giving the bastard what he deserves certainly counts.
- Then again, Varg is an absolute bastard who would naturally try to make himself look better in the situation.
Even ignoring my own personal thoughts on everyone involved, it seems to me like putting a Real Life murder on a CMOA page is rather inappropriate and a pretty blatant violation of the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement (and the second part is just plain natter). Permission to blank the page?
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I don't know if this needs to be at the forum but these two are the same thing https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/Tara , https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/T-ara yet different pages. I might be the one missing something here, so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Need to unlock a page. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tearjerker/XJapan seems to be locked, and I'm guessing it was so for being rumors about the band itself or something (because I don't even see why it would be locked otherwise).
Petitioning for permission to recreate as being about the band's songs and lives since even Gackt has his own dedicated page on Tear Jerker/Music and, with songs such as Art of Life and Tears and Without You and Jade (and shows like the 1992 On The Verge Of Destruction shows - the last their original bassist played as a member - the 1997 Last Live - the last show before a breakup that lasted for 10 years - and the 2010 Yokohama show - the original bassist came back for what would be one of the last shows of his life) they do deserve a subpage.
I want to make the page for my favourite band The Levellers, but REALLY not sure how to lay the page out or anything...