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openIs it OK for me, a cis person, to write a works page for a book about being trans?
OK, so I like creating works pages for relatively well-known kids' books, and I was planning to do one for I am Jazz, but then I realised that book is about being trans and I'm cis, so I'm worried that it'd be insensitive.
openVideo Example Editing
Hey, I forgot to put in a media source for a video example I submitted. Is there any way I can fix this?
openApocalypse How vs. Type Labels Are Not Examples
I'm a bit confused as to how Apocalypse How works in the greater context of the wiki. There's an Administrivia page dedicated to being against "types" of a trope listed on the main Trope page, but Apocalypse How's entire concept seems to depend on the idea of different levels of world-ending; without specifying it's a "Class X-5" or a "Class 2" or whatever, it's no better than a duplicate of The End of the World as We Know It.
Does AH just work under slightly different rules (i.e. saying "Galactic Scale, Physical Annihilation" instead of just "Class X-3"), or is this something to take to the Trope Repair Shop?
Edited by BrashBusteropenNo Title
Kahibalo edited the Trivia page and the YMMV page for The Mitchells vs. the Machines to change the word "queer" to "gay". They also edited the main page to change the same word to "she likes girls". (This example was later rewritten by another troper.)
Sorry if this isn't important...
Edited by fraggleloveropenSelf Promoting Troper?
This one is a bit weird, and I'm not sure It's strictly bad, it's just... weird and I wanted to probe the hive mind about it.
Charles Phipps is clearly Creator.CT Phipps (He makes no secret of this, it's his forum signature), which, fine, authors can be tropers and trope their own works. The part that gets weird is whenever he write an example in a trope page about his work, he'll always plug the work name "by C.T. Phipps". For examples:
- This is the policy of the Vampire Nation in Straight Outta Fangton by C.T. Phipps. (...)
- This is the case for vampires in the Straight Outta Fangton books by C.T. Phipps. (...)
- Gary Karkofsky in The Supervillainy Saga by C.T. Phipps is a prime example of such. (...)
(See basically any trope page one his creator page's related to tab)
Now, this isn't strictly wrong at all. It's just that we don't usually list the author of a work in an example unless it's relevant and there's no policy for or against it afaik, and even then that's not a big issue, what makes me bring this here is that it's clearly being done by the author himself so it kinda enters this weird Shameless Self-Promotion territory and I'm not sure if it's something that needs to be addressed. And again, I wanna emphasize that this isn't like he's sockpuppetting or anything, he's pretty open about who he is. I'm not accusing him of violating actual policy or anything underhanded, it's more a question of form.
I removed the one in Stronger with Age at first coz it felt weird to have just the one example that listed an author, but undid it coz I really wasn't sure how to proceed.
Edited by GhilzopenEgo Print Comic
Does anyone know what character page has the comic version of Ego the Living Planet, I found the the MCU version but not the comic version?
resolved Cattlemen vs. Shepherds: Fantastic Racism? Live Action TV
There's an episode in the 4th season of the western tv show Rawhide that involves Gil Favor and his drovers coming across a traveling shepherd named Ted Stone, and it revolves heavily around the very real enmity between cattle-workers and sheep-workers of the period. Whilst based on profession rather than ethnicity, the "coding" is very obviously racist. Aside from the insults freely slung between the professions, we have things like the shepherd being refused service at a saloon for his profession, the bartender both refusing to tell the shepherd where to find a doctor and attacking series regular Rowdy Yates for trying to insist on service - which triggers a bar brawl and has Rowdy thrown in jail by the town sherriff to keep him from being lynched, the shepherd warning Rowdy to not ask for a jury trial in cattle country despite being treated unfairly, the shepherd having to see the town vet because the town doctor won't treat him, the town vet noting that no hotel in town will rent them a room, and the shepherd ultimately reveals he narrowly escaped what was basically a lynch mob of 30 cattle drovers who beat a fellow shepherd to death.
Anyway, my point is, does this count as Fantastic Racism? It clearly evokes racist hostility, but is aimed at profession rather than ethnicity... but, on the other hand, this was a real phenomena in the time period that the show is based upon, so it's not "fantastic" in the sense of "never was a thing in real life"...
openLimit on One Steve Limit? Live Action TV
So, One-Steve Limit is for a work that has two characters with the same name in it. Does that also apply to two different works that are explicitly in the same universe? For example, if Law & Order: SVU had a detective named Craig Johnson, and Law & Order: Organized Crime had a recurring supporting character named Craig Smith, would that count for OSL?
openReal Life examples for IJustWantToBeNormal?
There are no real life examples for I Just Want to Be Normal, yet there's nothing saying that real life examples aren't allowed. Can they be?
Does it have to be a superpower or something? I'm not sure that autism would count as a "superpower," but I think it kinda fits this trope. Some people with autism are really talented in some areas that most people might not be, but for some (including me), the social drawbacks that come with autism can be so frustrating that we may sometimes wish we were neurotypical. This concept is also shown in Max: An Autistic Journey, a video game showing a day in the life of an autistic child.
openHonest ban evader
Hey, edit-banned troper Sheruru just admitted to plans of ban evading.
No, really. Check it out.
openhow do I add an apostrophe to a work's title
How do I add an apostrophe to a work's title in the page link?
Edited by TheITinFITopenHypocrite trope not linking in page
I'm trying to * 'Hypocrite' to a work but instead of linking to the trope page, it's just black text. How do I add it?
openShould Crazy Awesome be it's own thing?
I have a question: why does Crazy Awesome not even lead to Success Through Insanity?
openWhat should I do?
On the FPC thread, we cut a Spider-Man Trilogy example here and I removed it from the YMMV page as well. However, someone readded a slightly different entry about the same ship and another one to YMMV.Spider Man Trilogy here:
- Fan-Preferred Couple:
- Due to M.J.’s status as a Damsel Scrappy along with her being a Jerkass to Peter at many points, in contrast to Ursula being an Ensemble Dark Horse and nothing but sweet to Peter, there are many fans who wish Ursula was Peter’s main Love Interest instead.
- Betty Brant seems to be the second-most popular girl in the trilogy to ship Peter with, due to her also being a charming Nice Girl who seems to like Peter a lot without M.J.’s unlikeable qualities and Damsel Scrappy role.
Now, these have a problem Peter/MJ is still more popular than either of these. These are minority opinions which do not work for this trope. This trope requires it to be specifically more popular than the canon ship. However, I don't know what to do. If I touch them I am edit waring.
Edited by BullmanopenPlural possessive apostrophe
This is probably a proverbial tempest in a teacup, but SailorPunkRock added an entry to AwesomeMusic.Gravity Falls for the song "Disco Girls" that included the grammatically incorrect "fans's". Multiple style guides for both American and Commonwealth English agree that the possessive for a plural noun ending in S uses an apostrophe only, not an apostrophe followed by an S. "The dogs' leashes", "the trees' branches", and in this case, "the fans' joy". I removed it and sent them a grammar notifier (for this error and for also confusing "its" and "it's").
Anyway, they proceeded to add back the incorrect S in "the fans' joy". I've removed it again and sent them a more detailed notifier explaining why this is grammatically incorrect (with a link and quote from The Punctuation Guide's page on the apostrophe - specifically, "The possessive of a plural noun is formed by adding only an apostrophe when the noun ends in s, and by adding both an apostrophe and s when it ends in a letter other than s."), but thought it might be prudent to record this exchange here as well.
openCan this be an Example of UnintentionallyUnsympathetic? Print Comic
Another troper and I have been debating whether it is correct to say a scene/character in America (2017) can fall under the YMMV Unintentionally Unsympathetic. The other person says that the readers aren't meant to feel for America, while I think that while America's behavior is shown to be wrong by the book, the audience is still meant to be somewhat sympathetic for her.
Here is the breakup page: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ceeMhfHkpSvdSZ88EdpmZLkIVGCax5tGmjjAeGBD79ZWZ_sM9xvv7UZ05jQmKdGMjY4igsxjQ_Md7eUDu0Ft6BqGw7OPWtj9_BR_0F5wEN3sv3cBm3b8Hm4kexyymmNjXdo-g=s1600
These following pages in some of the next issues are what I considered as proof that America is meant to be sympathetic: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/voPUbaEmvCQLOZgXN6gGtYcu6tmk1nQHFWXj3WlhvOxAAE63fSmQJZZ_FYHGcQpkwjXU2AJ0Nf__g_usGcqJMd7F-ntYBWRgRqT3ufOMfNPrY7zjRHLEf927K82c2QtB370n9w=s1600 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/l_dd5yNhCvDpvr3CyHWWACYG9yVh6XUNm4KjZoniLm6kybX7i8hLEHmWUZdl7A4IWA9bDGAESgPJyz1qwVuGQN9G3Y-rXqkmZXlIBwE_-HUzTkDms8yICuYvGmpn4LKjcGTG=s1600
The other troper's arguments: It's not a scene where one character is clearly in the wrong and the other is clearly in the right. So that's another problem—the trope requires the character to be clearly meant to be sympathetic, and that's not the case with America in that scene. And even if we look in the text, America shows no sympathy or understanding towards what's very clearly a difficult decision for Lisa. The only one in the conversation who's showing any compassion for the other person is Lisa. So basically, America is clearly not meant to be purely a victim here, to judge from the tone of the text and the art.
- My arguments: I returned to the page Unintentionally Unsympathetic and it doesn't say that the character has to be in the right, just that the character is meant to be sympathetic to readers. For example, the page says the trope can apply if "if they are overly whiny or overly dramatic," which definitely applies to America in the scene. Lisa is being pretty reasonable while America is cutting her off and saying stuff like "I'm used to being on my own anyway." "America is clearly not meant to be purely a victim here." I agree with this. However, I think, to be as simple as possible, that the audience is supposed to at least feel for America, and understand **why** she behaved "petty and unwilling to show understanding" in the scene, but her behavior is so offputting to some readers that they can't feel for America at all. I think both are meant to be at least a little sympathetic: the audience should feel for Lisa who isn't ready to move, and also for America who feels abandoned. It's not one or the other. The reader is supposed to see America's behavior as flawed, but also understand how she feels and have some sympathy for her. In response to the other troper's admission that they wished the author wrote the scene better, I replied: According to the trope page, Unintentionally Unsympathetic is "when a character's purpose is to get sympathy or motivation from the audience which fails because their story or personality is ***written badly***," which we can both agree on.
So, what do you all think? Is America meant to be sympathetic?
Edited by GirlofMassDeconstructionopenPlaying with Trivia
Can Trivia tropes be played with? I ask this because I recently removed this line from Guilty Gear about No Dub for You:
- Subverted with the announcement that Guilty Gear -STRIVE- will once again feature an English dub.
I know some fans were worried about -STRIVE- not receiving an english dub, but at the same time I don't think Trivia should be played with at all. Did I do the correct thing or should I add it back?
Edited by ejmenendezopenHey all, plagiarism here! Web Original
Quotes.Scott The Woz, in its entirety, is full song lyrics.
openPage rework
So Characters.DCEU Knightmare probably needs a bit of a rework - all but three of the character sheets just redirect you somewhere else. As it stands, either the appropriate information on the other pages needs to be moved there (most of the Character Specific Pages of the franchise have a "Knightmare" section) or the three relevant examples (The Insurgency, Superman's Army, and Truck) need to be moved to another page - I'm not sure which one is better, but right now the page is close to useless.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99
After deleting a Hate Sink misuse on Trivia.Anthem 2019, I feel the need to inquire about Pendrake's other recent edits, namely their additions to various Real Life folders mostly concerning January 6's attack on the U.S. Capitol.