During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
RIP Toriyama
Well, since consensus is to go ahead, I'll get right on Underwood's EP. It should take a couple days, so no one hold their breath, but I do wanna thank everyone for letting me take a couple days to make it. Otherwise it would end upon a jumbled mess. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
edited 2nd Jan '18 4:36:57 PM by Ravok
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
I for one say we should wait on Frank. After all, who's to say that we won't see Christopher Plummer taking over another one of Kevin Spacey's roles?
Actually, wait a minute: House of Cards isn't a Ridley Scott production.
Alright, I'm done goofing around: at this point I'm okay with settling the matter on Frank once and for all. Feel free to do so when you're ready, Ravok.
Current mood: sick of your shit
Hey everyone,
Real quick, I noticed a slight error in one of the writeups. Under Web Original/SCP Foundation:
- SCP-993: Also known as "Bobble The Clown", this Depraved Kids' Show Host functions as The Corrupter to children.
Bobble is not SCP-933, his show is. Bobble has no SCP-designation and is just referred to as "Bobble the Clown", with the brainwashing show he produces being SCP item 993.
That is all, thank you.
Read "Ghost Stories of Remnant" here.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
How'd you change it?
Also, man, I can't believe it took me so long to find Playing with Syringes and Fame Through Infamy. The latter especially is better than Glory Hound or Attention Whore for numerous cases.
edited 2nd Jan '18 5:26:11 PM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Current mood: sick of your shit
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I didn't change anything, was just letting you guys know so someone could fix it.
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Novel!Stane because he didn't build it IN A CAVE - WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
I will also say we should get Underwood done and dusted. Best to do it now due to... everything, I feel.
Call me... Del Noir...
Lethal Weapon (2016) just keeps on upping the ante, especially with its Big Bad. If it keeps on going like this and the man in question gets worse, I'll undoubtedly have another candidate to propose by the time Season 2 ends.
edited 2nd Jan '18 6:12:28 PM by JoeBlitz
"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
I have a character to cut: Carmilla the Blood Countess from Vampire Hunter D. Here's her entry:
- Complete Monster: Carmilla, the Blood Countess from the film Bloodlust, was famed for her dark excesses when she lived, and was slain by the Vampire King Dracula for her bloodlust and gluttony. However, Carmilla's ghost still haunts her old palace. She lures the vampire Meier Link and his mortal lover Charlotte to her with promises of protection, only to use her illusions to separate them and slice Meier in half before feeding on Charlotte and using her blood to revive herself. When D himself and other vampire hunters enter her manor, Carmilla uses her illusions to Mind Rape them with visions of their pasts. She kills one hunter and turns him into a vampire so he'll kill D and the other hunter Leila, his own adopted sister. When she fights D himself, she tries to torture him out of fury that he, a Dhampyr himself, hunts her. Carmilla views herself as above any human being and when D bests her, she immediately tries to devour the rest of Charlotte's life, stopped only by the intervention of Meier.
Thing is? She's not heinous enough. Her reign in life is pure Offscreen Villainy, not elaborated upon at all. After that, what does she do? Kill a few people, manipulate one couple and psychologically tormenting others. Really not bad for a former queen who is now a powerful ghost, particularly because the Big Bad of the first movie is at Serial Rapist who massacred a town in flashback.
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Wait... so your argument is that she doesn't fully utilize her resources? If that's the case, I'll ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
her. Otherwise, I'll say that we shouldn't cut her.
I'm gonna contest that one. Carmilla's nasty with what she has, and given in the movie she's a ghost stuck in her castle with exceptionally limited resources as the Nobility of vampires is dying out.
Also, Magnus Lee isn't what I'd call a Serial Rapist. He tries to marry the heroine with the hope she'll be a willing participant when he vampirizes her.
IIRC, and I saw the films pretty recently, Lee was trying to mind control her into being his bride.
Well, he was hypnotizing her with the intent on making her a vampire. It's the 'serial' part I object to, as Magnus Lee wasn't exactly doing this on the regular. Carmilla was considered excessively bad by other Noble standards from the movie. (for the uninformed, Noble is the world's contemporary term for Vampire and Magnus Lee doesn't count because he genuinely loves his daughter)
Lee explicitly states that he picks up a new bride every 50 years. Given that he's among the oldest vamps, that's definitely serial.
Carmilla's only issue is the Offscreen Villainy.
I have a candidate.
Who is he? Bombshock, the main, titular antagonist of the Bombshock Arc of WZRP.
What Has He Done? Bombshock is an [Ax-Crazy Insecticon mad bomber who has absolutely no standards or redeeming qualities to balance out his evil. Ruthless, sadistic, brutal and obsessed with causing mass devastation with his explosives, Bombshock was so repulsive and cruel in his ways, even other Decepticons like Hardshell and Tarn despised him. Bombshock also used his own men as suicide bombers, killing them off just to kill some civilians and then slashed Gamoni's throat, to which he gloated about to Hardshell. His ultimate plan was to go to Mt. Saint Helens where he would release his deadliest weapon known as "Bombshock's Special" into the volcano, which would have activated the volcano and cause an explosion, spreading toxic gases that could've spread out and kill off everyone on Earth in a few months. During his fight with Hardshell, he then mocks and gloats some more on how far he's come and can't be stopped.
Heinous Standard: He's the main villain of the arc and is overall shown committing various crimes. He is shown doing a lot in his arc.
Redeeming Qualities?: Absolutely none. A straight up chaotic and vile mad bomber, there is nothing out there that pleases Bombshock more than taking down everything else with him.
Conclusion: Demented, twisted, sadistic and utterly vile in every way, Bombshock was one the darker villains to ever grace the RPVerse.
"Still smarter than a bus driver."
Mind explaining what the work is before I make a vote?
Wikizilla Roleplay. Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough, as I only said "WZRP".
edited 2nd Jan '18 10:36:10 PM by Gallibon
"Still smarter than a bus driver."
I'm Sad Frogerson.
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edited 2nd Jan '18 10:34:35 PM by chasemaddigan
Mind also explaining the story? The deeds do seem bad enough to keep. Just that I like to know the work I'm voting on.
Wikizilla Roleplay is basically like some weird but also cool and entertaining roleplay series that takes place in some fictional universe that is Godzilla related, but also has various Anime, Tokusatsu, Original Characters and other franchises mixed in (basically like a crack fic but you can take seriously.) Multiple stories can really take place there.
The Bombshock Arc was the re-arrival of an old foe who had come to Earth to first bomb raid there and then gas it to death, basically. It was up to a few Autobots and an Insecticon who had once worked with him to stop him.
"Still smarter than a bus driver."
Last thing: What other antagonists are there and how do their crimes stack up to him?
There are a lot of antagonists in it, but very few are as depraved as him. His second-in-command, Scurrydown, who he himself was no saint eventually disowned working for Bombshock due to how far he pushed it.
"Still smarter than a bus driver."
Freddy Krueger write up:
- Tales from Elm Street series (Link): Freddy Krueger is just as much of a monster in this series of fan videos as he is in canon. In The Slasher from Elm Street (Link), he murders a little boy named Mikey. In Another Tale from Elm Street (Link), he murders a little girl named Suzie. In A Tale from Elm Street (Link), he vows to kill Nancy Thompson, daughter of interrogating officer Donald Thompson, and is noted to have raped and killed five children, though he states that he believes the bodycount is higher. In The Legend of Elm Street (Link) , he returns from the grave after being killed by the parents of Springwood and attacks Mikey's mother, Mary, in her dream. Freddy taunts Mary about Mikey's death before preparing to kill her. After Mary begs him to leave her family alone, he decides to target the children of the parents instead, believing it will hurt them more. He mockingly thanks Mary for giving him the idea, planning to leave her alive to live with the fact that she gave him the idea to go after the children. When Mary vows to tell the other parents, Freddy stabs her in the head, putting her in a coma.
Ill give a tentative yea to the RP villain right now.
Bombshock
Yeah might as well get Underwood EP’d over with. Though take your time on it Ravok make sure you got everything’s sorted out with it
edited 2nd Jan '18 4:30:24 PM by G-Editor