During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Lighty and co: I'll expand Belarios's effortpost...eventually. I WILL say this though, since it may come up: There's no evidence either Satan or Belarios lack moral agency.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Lizzid people!
Abstaining on Belarios.
edited 24th Jul '16 8:53:32 PM by AustinDR
I'll trust you on that. I don't see anything on research indicating a lack of moral agency to either of them.
SDCC has now announced that The Vampire Diaries, Bates Motel, Black Sails and Teen Wolf are all ending, btw.
edited 24th Jul '16 10:22:07 PM by Lightysnake
Caesar
'Yes' to Io.
Anywho, just saw Zodiac for the first time. Now THAT'S a great film. Can't say I agree with the titular killer not counting, but I digress.
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Eh, ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Io.
Wild Child
lo.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
Unicron has a unanimous 13 , so I think that's enough to write up his entry.
- Unicron is a powerful and ancient Transformer who feeds upon worlds and the negative emotions of others. Disguising himself as one of Cybertron's moons, Unicron created the Mini-Cons to escalate the war between the Autobots and the Decepticons. Hoping to consume both sides once he regained enough power from their conflict, Unicron's plans were foiled when the Mini-Cons gained free will and abandoned Cybertron. Unicron slumbered for millions of years before the Mini-Cons were discovered on Earth. Unicron soon sent his herald Sideways to Earth to keep the war going and help restore him to his full power. Once fully awakened, Unicron attacked Cybertron, killed Starscream, and briefly stripped the Mini-Cons of their free will. Although he was defeated thanks to the combined efforts of the Autobots and Decepticons, Unicron returned with a vengeance. Before the events of Energon, Unicron devoured the home world of Alpha Q and all of its inhabitants. Unicron was heavily damaged when Scorponok blew up the planet in order to stop him, but he was eventually revived by Megatron, who had hoped to turn him into a weapon. Unicron instead possessed Megatron and went off to destroy several planets that Alpha Q had managed to restore. Despite having the ability to restore the planets that he had previously destroyed, Unicron instead prefers to use his god-like powers to achieve the destruction of space itself.
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Add to the drafts please; I guess he'll go before Megatron/Galvatron?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Sorry for vanishing. There was a death in the family. It was also probably for the best that I take a break, as my angry behavior was not acceptable.
That being said, what needs votes?
Hansen has received 12 , so here’s a draft.
- Robert "Bob" Hansen from the 2013 thriller The Frozen Ground appears to everyone as a polite family man and a nice, upstanding member of society, but in reality is a vicious and prolific Serial Killer. Consumed by sexual frustration and rage against women, he regularly abducts girls that he lured into his house and proceeds to beat, rape and humiliate them. Once he's done with his victims, he takes them to a remote place in the Alaskan woods and lets them run away just so he can hunt them down like wild game and bring back trophies of his hunts. He never shows anything other than rage and contempt at his victims, getting off of abusing them, and is prepared to kill any potential witness, including his friends and neighbours. Active for more than a decade, Hansen is responsible for murdering at least seventeen girls and raping thirty more.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Sorry for your loss.
edited 25th Jul '16 8:45:50 AM by Nithael
Io. Was wondering when we'd see another Pokemon CM candidate.
edited 25th Jul '16 9:12:35 AM by JayRomeo
If Io makes the cut, that'll be the first CM from a Pokemon manga since Charon.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Sorry to hear that Largo. Don't know about what needs votes, but there's still Soraya's rewrite.
Nithael, please add that to the drafts page too.
edited 25th Jul '16 9:23:35 AM by ACW
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Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Sorry about your loss, Largo. 
I guess I'll Belarios. Him killing the hero's wife and trying to kill his daughter sounds like a Stuffed into the Fridge moment.
A total has-been.
Seems likely given the unanimous votes. And I have another Pokemon manga candidate on the way, but I want to space the proposals out a little. Especially since there are many elements that will make that one...difficult.
Anyway, here's my proposed Io writeup:
- Team Galactic member Io is the story's Big Bad, depicted as a cold, ruthless woman who won't hesitate to eliminate anyone standing between her and what she wants, even her own subordinates. Five years prior to the story, she kidnapped The Hero Hiori's young sister Lily, a five year old girl at the time, registered her into Team Galactic, and conducted experiments on her mind that wiped her memory of her old life, her family, and even having ever been kidnapped. She also had Lily routinely brainwashed via her Misamagius' powers. When Lily gets her memory back and turns against Team Galactic, Io takes her frustration out of her Number Two by having her Pokemon attack him, calling him worthless before attempting to kill both Lily and her brother. Io showed no loyalty to her organization's cause and sought to usurp control within it and then Take Over the World by exploiting the powers of the Pokémon Darkrai, whose Hypnosis technique would enslave the minds of every living being so that they'd all do her bidding. When warned that this could also ravage the planet and cover it in darkness, Io doesn't care so long as she can reign supreme. If her treatment of others wasn't bad enough, she's also shown to treat Pokémon as little more than weapons that she can hurt and use to hurt, even forcibly enhancing them to make them serve her purposes better. When Darkrai breaks free from the special Poke' Ball she tries to catch it in, she tries to force it under her control only for it to put her into a sleep coma with it's Dark Void.
edited 25th Jul '16 10:04:20 AM by ANewMan
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Please add to the drafts page. And is that second candidate the old character in a new form?
A total has-been.
Please direct me to the Drafts page for that, and yes, yes it is.
Since the Yorgas in the films have two different origins, and the one in the second film is the more vile, should I only write up the second one? If I should write up both, should I create two entries, or just one that explains the different origins?
jjj
Found this on Courage the Cowardly Dog YMMV page:
Apparently, Schwick from "Courage in the Big, Stinkin' City" has fed a few people to... whatever it is behind the door in the rehearsal room. He's been wanted by the police for many disappearances. Although tamer than the previous examples, he still counts.
Is this approved or nah?
It's not a particularly strong one, but![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]")
to Io I guess.