Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

If no one minds, in an hour from now, I will add my write up to the sandbox.

Sure. I'm not gonna bother tweaking that (damn Ponies ).

Is the sandbox almost ready to be swapped?

Almost ready, just a few more issues. First of all I think Brass Hoof from Derpy's Album is a cut. Most of his crimes are off screen and he could be worse even with his limited resources. Secondly I think we should cut Nihilus and Titan from The Immortal Game out of moral agency issues. Maybe not the latter, but defiantly the former.

Btw, this is a little late to the discussion, but having recently seen American Sniper, I don't think I can vote yes to the Butcher. He's got some horrific deeds to his name but he doesn't really have a personality. He gets two scenes and one translated line ("You talk with them, you die with them!"), and that's just not enough for me to consider him a character.

Question: On the Literature page, under Animorphs, the section on Subvisser 51, this is the concluding sentence: "An insecure bully possessed of a raging inferiority complex, "Taylor" is the postergirl for everything wrong with the Yeerk military, and shows just how banal even the sickest individual can be."

I really don't think "banal" is the right word there, since it means "so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring; devoid of freshness or originality; boring and ordinary" But I'm not familiar enough with the work to know what was intended.

edited 30th Jan '15 3:56:24 PM by Madrugada

I added my write up for Eclipse to the sandbox.

On the subject of ponies, there were three rewrites missed. Those being the one for the Nuptialverse Discord, Pony POV's Discord, and Makarov's rewrite. I don't give a damn about the rest, but please replace Makarov's godawful wall of text with the condensed writeup.

Ah, good. My thanks to whoever wrote them.

edited 30th Jan '15 6:50:07 PM by Scraggle

What's up with the first line of the Getting Back On Your Hooves entry? The Big Bad Checker Monarch Trixie'ssister]and that she's ruining her life out of pettiness and jealousy since they were fillies.

They weren't missed. They're in the sandbox.

Also, does the example from It Takes A Village count? He just tries to kill Spike and incites a riot.

I agree that Brass Hoof might not count.

I doubt anyone's familiar with the Silent Ponyville chronicles, but the Colt's entry could stand some expansion.

Finally, I've always wondered if Eppaljack belongs on the page. She's from a series of Source Film Maker videos, which generally are pretty much impossible to take seriously. Her videos are somewhat dark, but she's killing guys named Painis Cupcake and the Vagineer.

edited 30th Jan '15 6:57:38 PM by Camberf

Someone remind me, what's the rule concerning candidates who were brought up in the past but didn't really receive much attention? Specifically thinking of Franz Kindler, who was brought up by Lighty back in 2013 but didn't get many votes in either direction. Would asking more people for input on such candidates be fair or foul?

As long as you're polite about it, it's fine.

Looks like Kindler's a Nazi war criminal. Those get almost a reflexive from me.

Ok, I have two things about the bravely default CM entries.

First of all, can someone put spoiler tags on the YMMV page for the stuff about multiple worlds? I'd do it myself, but something goes haywire every time I try and the changes don't go through.

Secondly, I just want to check, C Ms don't get cut for failing to be heinous in every scene, or alternate character interpretation, right? There's just something slightly bothering me about his appearance in the final world, but it's probably nothing.

Which part do you want spoiler-tagged?
As for the other question, correct (as long as they're not doing anything disqualifying). Hell, if we used ACI, we'd have to disqualify freaking Palpatine.

Right, so the original post proposing Kindler was here. I don't believe his kills during the film are enough to break the baseline heinous standard, but since seeing the victims' bodies has been enough to avert off-screen villainy in the past, and we do see concentration camp footage of many, many bodies Kindler is stated to be responsible for through his inventing the Nazi policy of genocide, I give him a .

edited 31st Jan '15 5:30:24 AM by LordXavius

Kindler sounds like a keep, but I thought it was Hitler who made that policy (ofcourse it has been a while since I was in History class).

Anyone here willing to talk Tzekel Kahn ?

@ Occasional Exister: Actually, despite my upvote for the Butcher based on holders' breakdown, I never got an answer to my question if he had much of a personality. Is this a case like the rapists from Deliverance where they're essentially Bit Part Bad Guys who exist in a vacuum?

I'll second Kyle Jacobs that we should shy away from Wall of Text entries. Remember, we're still crafting these entries for the general readership, and huge entries makes them much less inclined to read them.

Definite keep for Kindler.

Sort of. The real life Hitler was a pretty lazy dictator who micro-managed only certain aspects because of his enormous ego, but he cultivated a dog-eat-dog government environment by allowing bureaucratic infighting and rewarding his most evil subordinates for coming up with increasingly insane methods of mass murder. Heydrich was apparently the one to give the actual order (possibly after verbal instructions from Hitler), but Hitler was absolutely essential in rubberstamping it and keeping the genocidal policy going for years.

Let's hear it about Kahn.

Here's a new write-up for the Pale Man.

• Haunter: The Pale Man aka Edgar Mullins is a vicious ghost who loves the murder of innocents. When he was a boy, he killed both his parents by poisoning and smothering them in their beds. He later becomes a serial killer who claims numerous victims between the 1960s and 1980s, when he died. Still not content, he returns from the dead as a murderous ghost and keeps the spirits of his victims trapped in the house so he can torment them indefinitely. He also possesses the fathers of new families, whom he then forces to kill themselves along with their wives and children. Utterly cruel and malevolent, he sees no reason to ever stop; as he proclaims to one of his victims' spirits, "I always do enjoy killing you".

edited 31st Jan '15 7:35:54 AM by Morgenthaler

Hmmm...Vorkosigan Saga has Ryoval who we approved and whose writeup looks good, Vorrutyer who we approved but whose writeup could be tightened, and Ker Dubauer who isn't on the CM page.
BTW, does anyone object to swapping Book!Ramsay's entry at A Song of Ice and Fire with this?
Can someone please help with Minerva? I'm trying to clean it up, but I can't understand enough to make it clear.

edited 31st Jan '15 7:10:11 AM by ACW

For Pale Man and Ramsay.

About Tzekel Kahn.

Who Is He And What Does He Do ?

Kahn is part of the Big Bad Ensemble in the movie, along with Hernan Cortez. He is the wicked high priest of El Dorado, who is very sacrifice happy, as well as a sorcerer. When the protagonists Tulio and Miguel first arrive in El Dorado, they are mistaken for Gods and Kahn boasts that this is the time of judgement. Kahn and the benevolant chief both welcome them, with Kahn seeing them as a way to enhancing his own standing. He claims that it's the year of the Jaguar, when the wicked are plunged from the city. Julio and Miguel later attend a ceremony where Kahn attempts to sacrifice an old man for their honor, but they stop him much to his confusion. While Miguel explores the city and bonds with his people, Kahn talks to Julio that Gods should not be soft and the people will not respect the Gods if they do not fear them and that humans sacrafices are a necessary thing. Later, he see's Miguel playing a game of ball with local children, he has public game played against the cities best players, and when Julio and Miguel win, Kahn offers to have the other players sacrificed, but Miguel puts a stop to it, demanding that there shall be no more sacrifices. At this point, Kahn notices a small cut on Miguel, and because "Gods Don't Bleed", he comes to the conlusion that they are not Gods. Kahn goes to his temple where he sacrafices one of his minions to conjure a giant stone Jaguar bound to his will and goes on a rampage throughout the city, but Julio and Miguel outsmart it and cause it to fall into the whirlpool, thought to be the entrance to the spirit world. Kahn confronts them, Julio and Miguel argue and punch the distracted Kahn into the whirlpool. Kahn is shown to have survived, and washes up in a river bed, where he meets Cortez and his men, mistaking them for God's. He offers to lead them to El Dorado, but during the climax, Julio and Miguel seal off the entrance to El Dorado, so Cortez brands Kahn a liar and has him taken away.

Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse ?

At best Tzekel Kahn is a Knight Templar, but that's not disqualifying. There is an ACI that questions if he legitimately believes the year of the Jaguar is when the wicked and unrighteous are devoured, or if he's a cold blooded sadist, using his believes as an excuse the satisfy his bloodlust. He seems to be a misanthrope and disgusted that the "Gods" have a soft spot for the people, and when he talks to Julio about it, he states humans won't respect the Gods if they are not feared. Part of me thinks he legitimately believes that Gods must be blood thirsty and can't understand why they aren't, when they stop his first sacrifice, he seems legitimately confused that they don't want "the tribute". It's easy to say both interpretations apply, firmly making him Dream Works answer to Claude Frollo.

What about Cortez?

edited 31st Jan '15 10:30:36 AM by ACW

I can't really read the Minerva writeup either.

Cortez doesn't have a developed personality beyond what we know of history. He doesn't have a lot of screen time in the movie, and doesn't do anything on screen for him for me considering bringing him up. Only reason he's a threat at all is because, A. Kahn began to lead him to El Dorado, and B. He's Hernan Cortez, any history buff should fill in the rest.

For Minerva, I was able to do this much, before I got lost:

• Date AST Like^note also known as Date A Strike (a spinoff of Date A Live): Minerva Liddell is the former Ace Wizard of Special Sorcery Service and later became a temporary Wizard of Deus.Ex.Machina Industries. Her only apparent motivation in life is to kill and "destroy" whatever she can, inckuding raping and killing children.

edited 31st Jan '15 7:50:30 AM by ACW

@35029: Actually, I was considering bringing up that exact comparison. The Butcher really does fall under Deliverance Hillbilly Rapist Syndrome (or DHRS in scientific circles). He's never given enough screen time or personality to be a character in his own right, just an obstacle in the story. Also, good Pale Man write-up.