Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Minorly tweaked.

Do you think we can make a Sonic The Hedgehog franchise page that add the examples from Monster.Western Animation and Monster.Video Games And Visual Novels.

Does Wilson care for Babyface?

And do we also add a link to the Archie's Comic page?

I'm confused. Do you mean put a link to the work page in the Complete Monster page, or vice versa. If you mean the former that's already been done. Anyway here's the link.

edited 17th Dec '14 6:06:53 PM by randomtroper89

to the alien, Concannon, Scarface, and the Piper. Any other thoughts on Zygon?

edited 17th Dec '14 3:04:35 PM by Scraggle

Oh okay.

edited 17th Dec '14 3:01:25 PM by AustinDR

@bobg- No, Concannon does not care for Babyface - in the climax, during Alexa's Calling the Old Man Out scene, she takes off Babyface's mask, which was very painful for him on account of him tying it down with barbed wire, and Concannon just laughs and films it. When he shoots Alexa, and Babyface panics, Concannon simply barks at him to "Get back in character".

edited 17th Dec '14 3:09:47 PM by Beast

New Sonic page works for me. BTW, I think they were put up before approval, so if anyone wants to try condensing the comic ones, especially Eggman and Enerjak, please feel free.

Touched up a mite. Also, what about Kage von Stryker? I don't know if he's been talked about, but he's seems much more low-scale compared to the other villains.

edited 17th Dec '14 3:35:01 PM by Scraggle

Ah, MUCH better. Enerjak was a hideous Wall of Text. I believe the only entry that's over 400 words is Palpatine, and that makes sense as he's been in 4 movies, an animated series, a comic, and a novel; plus he's done so much and his the third member of the Complete Monster (Un)holy trinity.

Speaking of walls of text... there's a particular example on the fan works page on My Little Pony that particularly irks me.

• The Shining Armor Arc has General-Admiral Solomon Azure Raven Makarov. A Parody Sue Played for Drama, Makarov's Establishing Character Moment has him attempt to have Shining Armor assassinated for not knowing who he is, even willing to shoot a squad of Columbian Griffins in coldblood just to get to him. Next time we see him, he tries to have an entire village of innocents slaughtered to keep them quiet about his plans, and its revealed his Alicorn cyborg Co-Dragons were actually four innocent ponies he forcibly transformed into killing machines, knowingly (and according to Mother Deer, possibly intentionally) trapping them in their bodies, aware but unable to do anything except follow his orders. He then proceeds to lure Shining's squad into a trap, and spend several paragraphs giving them a sadistic No-Holds-Barred Beatdown, including blowing off Running Gag's wing in petty revenge. His endgame consists of nothing short of two genocides, unleashing a superweapon that disables Pegasus and Griffin flight and sending hundreds if not thousands falling to their deaths, starting a massive war killing millions, destroying his own Empire's capital city, and forcing Shining to watch it all, including attempting to kill Twilight solely to hurt Shining. He also attempts to orchestrate Gilda's death solely to hurt Shining and Rainbow Dash. He gets even worse with the reveal that he had his own parents murdered (and attempted to do the same to his own half-brother) just to give himself a 'tragic backstory' and that he's actually a reality bending Equineoid Abomination called the Shadow of Chernobull that consumes the existences of creatures, erasing them from history in the process who used his powers to perform genocide on the entire Changeling race, who have yet to do anything wrong at this point. While it begins as a non-sapient entity, by the time we meet Makarov, he's become sapient enough to take unrestrained pleasure in the act of consuming others and letting them be aware enough to die terrified. When its creator Pandora let it loose in the Realm of Legends, intending it to be a living fantasy character and a being of pure imagination, it proceeded to consume countless existences, twisting the realm into its twisted fairy tale. Why? It couldn't bare the thought of stories existing that didn't include it, and thus desires to make every story about it. By the end of the saga, everycreature openly despises him except his 'mother' Pandora, who is still disgusted and horrified by what her child has done and actively helps Shining defeat Makarov. Shining, who adheres strongly to a Thou Shall Not Kill mentality, is so enraged by Makarov's crimes that he tries to outright kill him twice and ultimately feeds him to the Wolf, erasing him from existence. After Makarov's demise, Shining awakens to find a world where he never existed. What's it like? Several wars never happened and the world is overall a far nicer, safer, and more peaceful place to live, showing just how much pain and suffering Makarov had truly caused. The most sickening part? Makarov planned to paint all his victims as the villains and himself as the hero of the story out of a selfish desire to make everything revolve around him.

If there's anything to be done about it, please do.

edited 17th Dec '14 3:45:27 PM by Scraggle

Oh lord, over 500 words? Plus all the natter. Just...a mess.

edited 17th Dec '14 3:46:40 PM by ACW

The entries in general are a mess. Do you know who added the Pony POV entries in the first place? There's some serious differences between what's listed on the Monster Page and what's on the YMMV page. I believe discussions took place a while back, but it seems nothing's come of them.

edited 17th Dec '14 3:51:10 PM by Scraggle

The original write up was on this page I think.

For the Cartoon Network section, I think we need to add The Beast from Over the Garden Wall.

He's an eldritch abomination (at least once we see him past the silhouette) who harvests lost souls into trees, where a deluded woodsman then grinds them into oil in order to keep a lantern lit, which contains the beast's soul. He follows the lost around and subtly works havoc in order to demoralize his victims. Then, they can be transformed into trees. He tricks people into believing that the souls of their dying loved ones can be saved if they keep the lantern alight, while providing them with the fuel for his lifeforce. He's also regarded as the ultimate evil in-universe and has no redeeming qualities (except perhaps a nice singing voice).

No, we discussed the Beast long ago. Apparently he's doing what's necessary for his own survival. Now you can propose a revaluation of him, but you probably have no argument we hadn't heard before.

If at all necessary, any condensing would be heavily appreciated. Fan Works in general really needs to be looked at.

Well, we do have a sandbox for it.

Thank you for that. I will bring up some of the listed examples beforehand.

I have a shortened Makorov writeup here, but it is still rather hefty.

I will say to Zygon and the body snatcher (man, Ennis sure likes to create monster characters).

Speaking of comics, here is a character that is worth keeping an eye on, Greg Pak is going to give Superman his own version of The Joker:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57793

edited 17th Dec '14 10:43:54 PM by TheOverlord

Well, that sounds awful. A "Joker level foe"? The Hell do they even mean by that? An archenemy? That's Luthor. A sick fuck with no sense of morality and no limits on what he'll do? That's Brainiac and Mongul.

God I get tired of The Joker being held up as some standard to which all comic book villains should aspire to.

Yeah, that sounds like a flash-in-the-pan just waiting to happen.

for that body-snatching alien, BTW.

Sigh. Well, may as well see if he qualifies. BTW, I'll have to comb through the entries and see where The Holocaust would fit in. I can already think of Gunther Lutze.