Opening. I think renaming sounds like a good idea, because it's clear that people are mistaking this for a card game trope due to the name.
As for what to call it, I don't currently have any ideas.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 10th 2022 at 10:28:18 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.!
Opening this.
As you pointed out, the actual misuse is pretty low. We generally expect a low amount of misuse for any given page (since folks who don't read descriptions are omnipresent), so I am not seeing a case for a rename, especially given 900+ wicks.
At best, I think the card game misuse can be moved to its own trope, and a "not to be confused with Discard and Draw" added to its description.
Edited by Synchronicity on Jan 10th 2022 at 10:32:05 AM
Powers Lost New Powers Gained? Lost Powers Gained New Powers? Or just Superpower Discard And Draw?
Edit: Or, yeah, since misuse level is not that high, we might consider a new card game-based discard-and-draw trope with a "Not to be confused with" blurb.
Edited by Tabs on Jan 10th 2022 at 8:32:31 AM
Going to agree with Synchronicity here. Misuse is pretty low, but a new trope specifically for the card game misuse might be worthwhile.
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I can see the value in a card game trope similar to the one proposed.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 10th 2022 at 11:34:09 AM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallThe snag I see there is that Discard and Draw is already the term used for the card-game trope we'd make, so I'm not sure what we'd name that one.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessIn that case I could potentially be open to a rename. I say potentially because I don't think there is precedent for tropes getting renamed solely so that the old name can be used for a new trope, although I don't know because I haven't been involved in the TRS for very long.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallMaybe we could do a Trope Transplant here by using the name Discard and Draw for the card game trope, and moving the original definition to a new name.
Also, it looks like I misread the amount of misuse when I opened the thread earlier. I overlooked the fact that it's as low as it is. Still, I think a Trope Transplant would be a good idea.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 10th 2022 at 10:38:04 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass....
But, most of the anime examples isn't new powers, but just better versions of the old ones?
So... A better name might draw that out?
Power Upgrade Bootup Time?? That sounds too wordy.
Edited by Malady on Jan 10th 2022 at 8:42:14 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Maybe Old Powers Lost New Powers Gained would work (it would be custom titled to have a comma between "Lost" and "New"), or maybe Power Replacement (less sure about the latter; it's shorter, but I'm not sure if it would be clear).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 10th 2022 at 10:40:31 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Wasn't there a TLP about Discard Mechanics or something like that? If not, one can surely be made.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI like the name Replacement Superpower.
Kirby is awesome.This is probably something to discuss separately, but I'm concerned about proposed titles creating even more confusion with Re-Power, which already has an unclear distinction and several overlapping examples. (I was going to check Re-Power sometime for a different kind of misuse resulting from its title.)
good point actually...
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup- I see, yeah, the Page Image for Re-Power is a re-imagining, as the entry says, not an event in a single continuity, for instance...
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576A while back I started a thread about how Re-Power and Discard and Draw are duplicate tropes but it didn't go anywhere because at the time I wasn't able to put in the effort to prove they were duplicates before the thread ran out of time. I have wanted to reopen it but I haven't gotten around to it.
Re-Power's trope description is poorly written and although I think that the difference is that Re-Power is supposed to be about changing a character's powers as part of a reimagining, that is not actually consistent with the examples on the pages or how the two tropes are being used on other pages.
I personally think that Discard and Draw should be renamed to Re-Power and Re-Power should either be deleted or renamed and rewritten to fix it being misused depending on whether or not it is determined if it actually is a distinct trope or not. This is because Re-Power's name fits better with what Discard and Draw is supposed to be about.
Edited by legendaryweredragon on Jan 10th 2022 at 1:16:51 AM
If we keep this instead of merging it with Re-Power, I thought of Superpower Swap as another name.
Still, I think the name Discard and Draw would work fine for the card game misuse if we move the proper definition elsewhere (or merge it; whichever we do).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.- Superpower Swapping sounds like Physical Attribute Swap but for Superpowers, like Power Copying.
A.k.a a donor is needed.
Edited by Malady on Jan 10th 2022 at 1:48:11 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Accidental [Back] double post.
Edited by Malady on Jan 10th 2022 at 1:48:06 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576That's a good point. In that case, using "replacement" instead of "swap[ping]" would probably be a better idea.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I have no problems with either Superpower Replacement or Replacement Superpower (though I do have a preference for whichever is more consistent with other tropes).
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 10th 2022 at 8:08:56 AM
Kirby is awesome.
Crown Description:
Consenus was to split misuse of Discard And Draw, which is about card replacement mechanics in card games, into a new trope. What should the new trope's name be?
Summary
Discard and Draw, a trope about losing then gaining new powers, has a confusing trope name, and as a result is being consistently misused as a card game trope that describes "with card effect or game mechanics, discard cards from your hand, then draw cards from your deck".
Wick Check
Results
Conclusions
Discard and Draw has a consistent misuse on card game pages, where the trope is interpreted by its literal title as a trope about discarding cards and drawing new cards.
Though this misuse is very consistent and very common on card game pages, the relatively low number of card game pages on this site means that its absolute number of misuses is relatively low.
Proposals
In my opinion, the name Discard and Draw is generally unclear, and does not at all suggest the actual trope of "losing one power but gaining another"; you may figuratively "discard" your superpowers, but it's impossible to "draw" new superpowers.
Therefore, I propose a rename of the trope. I suggest "Powers Lost And Powers Gained" just to get the idea rolling.
I could also see the misused, card game focused interpretation of the trope to be made into its own trope, maybe with the "Discard And Draw" name, or maybe with the more general "Mulligan" name.