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Ambiguous Name (Titles Crowner 7/6): Sic Em get usage counts

 1 Larkmarn, Sat, 1st Jun '13 6:58:00 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Stock Phrase as a title, which isn't necessarily bad, except that the stock phrase doesn't correspond to the trope. The stock phrase makes it sound like someone is sicking their pet/The Dragon on an enemy who is right in front of them right now, in a "Get them, you fools!"-type moment. The trope is actually about a cutaway to a villain ordering his minions to eventually take down the hero. There is some misuse in the related articles. Not that many, but then again, there are very few wicks in general.

Action Adventure Tropes: Correct Avenger: Seems to be correct Fan Fiction: Incorrect Knight and Day: No context Literature/Krabat: Incorrect Moonraker: Not sure. Given the entry to Animal Assassin, could be incorrect. But the dialog seems like it's correct. Paper Mario 64: Correct Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: No context All the Red vs. Blue examples: Incorrect Sin and Punishment: Star Successor: Looks correct. The Spy Who Loved Me: Same as Moonraker, probably correct Top Secret!: Seems incorrect You Have Failed Me: Correct You Only Live Twice: Same as the other Bond examples, just dialog. However, this time it seems a lot more like a villain going "Get him!" while Bond is there.

So 5/18 are definitely wrong, 2/18 have zero context, 5/18 are unclear. Leaving only 6/18 definitely correct wicks.

 2 Rethkir, Sat, 1st Jun '13 9:18:21 PM Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I have no clue where the name comes from, but I've seen this trope a million times. I'd really like to rename this. This name makes absolutely no sense to me. Like You Make Me Sic? It should be called something like, Ill Get You Yet Hero.

edited 1st Jun '13 11:17:21 PM by Rethkir

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Wiktionary: sic (verb)

If I'm reading the page description right, it's supposed to be a scene of the Big Bad telling some Mooks to, well, "go sic 'em" (like ordering a dog to attack someone, hence the name), with added irony of it occuring right after previous Mooks were just defeated.

Not a great definition for the name.

edited 1st Jun '13 10:50:06 PM by Stratadrake

 4 Rethkir, Sat, 1st Jun '13 11:21:20 PM Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
The name is way too specific. (Or the description sucks.) This trope is about the scene at the end of an episode where the Big Bad Evil Overlord witnesses the hero's victory from his lair, then vows to get him next week, laughing manically along with dramatic music as the scene cuts to black for the credits to role. (At least, that's what the first paragraph leads me to believe.) May or (most likely) may not involve him sending more minions out to get the hero.

Sic 'em sounds like an entirely different trope, like when a boss mook tells other mooks to beat up the hero. The more I think about this name, the more I hate it.

edited 1st Jun '13 11:57:02 PM by Rethkir

 5 Septimus Heap, Sun, 2nd Jun '13 1:59:54 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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This name is bad, but I can't think of anything better.

 6 Another Duck, Sun, 2nd Jun '13 4:39:44 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I get the impression that the trope is more popular than the number of examples would imply. It's not unlikely the name is one problem with that. I think a rename would be a good idea.
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 7 Larkmarn, Wed, 5th Jun '13 11:55:37 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
 8 Willbyr, Thu, 6th Jun '13 11:25:44 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Single prop crowner's hooked.
 9 kiukiuclk, Thu, 6th Jun '13 2:29:23 PM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
I actually like the Sic 'em in the name, as it's at least easy to remember and would be something to naturally search from. I think you just something to reenforce that its' about the cutaway rather than the villains order(which is probably to common to count as a trope).

Sic Em Scene?

Sic Em Cut?

Sic Em More? evil grin

 10 Larkmarn, Thu, 6th Jun '13 3:39:34 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Of those, definitely Sic Em Cut.

 11 Another Duck, Thu, 6th Jun '13 7:33:41 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I think "Cut" implies it's the actual scene transition, rather than the scene itself.

edited 6th Jun '13 7:33:53 PM by AnotherDuck

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^ not exactly, see Gilligan Cut
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 13 Another Duck, Fri, 7th Jun '13 12:27:38 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
[up]That's exactly what I meant. It's the quick transition from one scene to a contrary one, not the scene itself, that's the point. To pick the image there as an example, the cold scene itself isn't the trope, and that's what the trope of this topic is. It's a short scene, not a cut.
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But the scene itself means nothing without the juxtoposition of the first scene. "Cut" is providing juxtoposition.
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 15 Another Duck, Fri, 7th Jun '13 1:16:54 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I disagree with that. The scene itself is the important part, not the juxtaposition.
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 16 Larkmarn, Fri, 7th Jun '13 1:23:07 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
The important part is that it's a separate scene from the heroes. That's the part that is most misused, so I think having "cut" in the name would be the best thing to prevent that misuse, even if it's not always a cut.

 17 kiukiuclk, Fri, 7th Jun '13 4:07:15 PM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
Is there a straight villian cut trope? (i.e. where you see what the villian is doing, even though the story isn't generally told from their perspective). Actually, that's probably to common. This seems to be that combined with a very specific order.

 18 Willbyr, Fri, 5th Jul '13 9:32:45 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Calling in favor of the rename.

edited 5th Jul '13 9:32:49 PM by Willbyr

 19 Willbyr, Sat, 6th Jul '13 6:45:15 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Titles crowner's hooked and noted in the thread title.
 20 Septimus Heap, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 2:22:38 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Votes bump. Tally:

All else is red.

Votes bump
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 22 Rethkir, Sat, 10th Aug '13 6:36:54 PM Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
The first option has very low opposition compared to the others. I'd say keep it running and bring more attention to it.

Villain Ordering Shot is 8:1, all others are in red.
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 25 Rethkir, Sat, 31st Aug '13 7:14:40 AM Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
It looks rather decisive, now.

Alternative Titles: Sic Em Runoff
18th Nov '13 6:07:41 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
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