The Grand Unified Appearance Trope Clean-up:

Perhaps a contrast to Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory and a statement that sometimes appearance does not mean anything would be apropos.

edited 9th Jan '17 1:40:14 AM by SeptimusHeap

I added that and now it has a TLP.

As for what to do with brown eyes, I think we should just cut it, any meaning they may have can be folded into Meaningful Appearance or some broader color/brown trope.

EDIT How can I distinguish Meaningful Appearance from Astonishingly Appropriate Appearance?

edited 9th Jan '17 12:18:14 PM by MacronNotes

Astonishingly Appropriate Appearance does not seem to have anything to do with meaningfulness. It's a character design trope, not an indicator trope. To take my Septimus Heap, there is nothing "appropriate" about wizards having green eyes. I think they can overlap and AAA may be a subtrope of MA.

Going along with Meaningful Appearance as the grand supertrope, should we also propose Color Themed supertropes

i.e. Part of the discussion before was is Brown Eyes meaningful, or is Brown meaningful whether it appears in the eyes or the hair or the clothes etc. Such that we should have a trope page, or at least a useful notes page, for the symbology of each major color. Probably limited to the range of the basic color terms in English (as per the other wiki: English contains eleven basic color terms: "black", "white", "red", "green", "yellow", "blue", "brown", "orange", "pink", "purple", and "gray".)

I expect that it would be formatted like Youkai sorted by color and established tropes be placed in that section with other examples in a folder below them.

Seems like something you could carry to TLP. Something more akin to an Useful Notes page, though, writers will certainly find it useful to know what symbolisms eye colours carry.

I also wonder what should happen with Personal Appearance Tropes once Meaningful Appearance is launched. My impression is that most tropes there are either:

• Examples of Improbable Appearance Tropes, when the designs are impossible or unrealistic in Real Life.
• Subtropes of Meaningful Appearance.
• Meaningless Appearances
• Various fashion and character design tropes.

I also think that a title like "Personal Appearance Tropes" may mislead people into thinking that "Personal Appearance" per se is a trope. Perhaps scrapping it over the long term is a notion to pursue.

So, we would have look at every trope case by case basis then?

Actually, I'd say that a number of tropes (such as Red Right Hand) are easy decisions as to whether they fit as subtropes to Meaningful Appearance. It's the ones which need cleaning or don't fit as subtropes which will be an issue. Perhaps more of a question after MA is launched, though.

Meaningful Appearance has been launched, now I'm crosswicking it.

So, time to disambiguate Brown Eyes?

I suppose it will be between Elemental Eye Colours and Meaningful Appearance

Sounds fair to me.

Green Eyes,Grey Eyes and Windows To The Soul will get the same treatment probably?

edited 31st Jan '17 1:24:36 PM by MacronNotes

Should we look at Primary-Color Champion, Secondary Color Nemesis and Red and Black and Evil All Over?

edited 31st Jan '17 8:45:04 PM by MorningStar1337

In my experience, those all seem to be actual design tropes - the last one more so, but I know using primary colors for good guys and secondary colors for bad guys has been openly discussed by some comic book artists. (I suppose that could just be one trope, but that feels more like a Lumper Vs Splitter debate).

Although it wouldn't surprise me if there was some shoehorning, so it can't hurt to look at them.

edited 31st Jan '17 9:10:14 PM by nrjxll

Really Meaningful Appearance is the supertrope to the other tropes. Like most color tropes like Red Is Heroic and such.

Those tropes are also very specific about what combination of colors they're looking for and what they symbolize and don't have nearly as much misuse.

Red Is Heroic and Blue Is Heroic are a bit more iffy since red and blue stand alone can mean a lot of things (including heroism)

edited 31st Jan '17 11:26:07 PM by acrobox

Let's work on the eye colour tropes first. Do we have consensus to disambiguate Brown Eyes?

I'm all for it.

here.

No problem with it

proceed

Agreed go for it, on brown eyes at least. Other unrealistic tropes like Purple Eyes are quite a bit more specific and would be a subtrope of that an Unnatural Eyes.

x6 I agree on Blue Is Heroic, However for Red Is Heroic in certain culture specific reasons for it like Japan where wearing Red as a hero is very intertwined in the culture. The sun is seen as red and being 'The land of the rising sun' and the country flag being red, it is heroic and nationalistic without directly being so or with the latter even intentionally so.

edited 2nd Feb '17 12:24:18 AM by Memers

I was looking at the wicks for Hazel Eyes (its redirect), and noticed that the wicks from Disney.Beauty And The Beast and Characters.Beauty And The Beast are coming from commented out notes apparently put there by admin(?) decision. Is it okay to remove them?