Is this an example?

Are the Warcraft franchise's goblins and gnomes genuine examples of Steampunk? AFAIK, the only trait they have that fits the trope is the prolificacy of steam power-based technology (and atomic power-based, in the gnomes' case). This is in a setting that was in borderline Medieval Stasis prior to World Of Warcraft, BTW.

PS: Still waiting for an answer (if there is one) to my previous question in the previous page.

edited 26th Apr '14 9:51:56 AM by MarqFJA

Echoes and Poles Apart are definitely creepy.

Something like this:

• In the middle of Echoes the music switches to Spooky noises with high pitched noises resempling screams and animal/bird calls. About two minutes later crows start to caw in the background.
• The middle of Poles Apart changes to Ominous Pipe Organ music, circus music then goes on top of that, a metal gate opens and the crow start to caw.

I'm not really sure about Cymbaline. Could be creepy or thieving, but here is the relevant part of the lyrics.

edited 27th Apr '14 2:14:54 AM by m8e

In the The Dark Knight , the Joker tells Batman that he pushed Harvey Dent over the edge and the guy went criminally insane.

"You see madness, as you know, is like gravity; all it take is a little push."

Is this really an example of As You Know? I don't believe it is. Using the actual words is not the same as exposition of things already known by the characters , he's just making a somewhat florid point

edited 27th Apr '14 8:04:04 AM by TrollBrutal

No, that's not an example, and it's one of the problems with trope titles that read like phrases of speech. They require vigilance to keep off shoehorning every time they're said as an example.

I thought so. I removed it once some time ago but today another editor added it again, so I needed some reassurance.

Thanks for the answer (I forgot to edit the post, lunch break. I realize now that the question was badly formulated)

I'll mention it in the discussion tab of the work for future reference.

edited 27th Apr '14 8:08:00 AM by TrollBrutal

Reading The Artifact, i noted the following examples:

• Team Rocket have been this for just as long, as the organization they belong to have ceased to be the villains of the main games the anime is promoting after Generation II. The Best Wishes/Black and White series attempted to rectify this by giving them actual purpose in the plot and then attempting to write them out, but it didn't stick and they returned to The Artifact status in the Pokemon XY series.
  • The same could be said about Ash. He's the Anime's counterpart to the first generation's player character, but even thought each generation features a different set of protagonists (not counting remakes), he was kept in the seasons that adapted later games and regions, clearly because the writers felt that replacing the main character would be too dramatic a change. Because of this, he's not allowed to win the Pokémon League tournament and complete his quest to become a Pokémon Master, causing his story to suffer a severe case of Arc Fatigue.

Are they correct examples?

English Rose:

• One obvious English Rose isn't English — or even human. The first Romana, of Doctor Who fame, was imperious and arrogant (if also highly capable), but her second regeneration fits this trope perfectly. Played by Lalla Ward, she was refined, composed, soft-spoken, but also brilliant and strong-willed.

In Some Like It Hot, there's a brief part where Tony Curtis' character accidentally uses his real voice in front of Sugar, while still Disguised in Drag. Even though only the pitch changed, does this count as Accent Relapse, or something else?

I have a doubt regarding The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Does Harry count as an aversion of Legacy Character since he's that continuity's first (and so far only) Green Goblin?

Aversions are not notable unless the trope is omnipresent within a genre, medium, or franchise. Green Goblin not being a Legacy Character in this particular continuity is notable in the Franchise page, but not in the article for the film itself.

edited 2nd May '14 12:45:32 PM by Fighteer

Something came up recently.

I noticed that a number of Voice Actor references are in the Trivia Part of a TV Tropes Page. However, I noticed that the Role Reprisal Trope is in the main part of the TV Tropes Page.

Examples:

Teen Titans Go(Western Animation), Sonic Boom(Western Animation), Batman: Arkham Asylum(Role Reprisal Trope is in the main page. But a mention of the reprisal is in the Trivia Page), Power Rangers Zeo, The Looney Tunes Show, Sonic Underground, Dragonball Kai, The Super Hero Squad Show

Since The Other Darrin is usually placed in the Trivia part of a TV Tropes page, would that also count for Role Reprisal Trope to go into the Trivia page as well?

P.S.: Thank you to the Troper who referenced Kotono Mitsuishi's Role Reprisal of Tsukino Usagi/Sailor Moon for the upcoming Sailor Moon Crystal.

edited 3rd May '14 9:53:38 PM by SaburoDaimando

If Role Reprisal is flagged as Trivia, then all examples should be moved to the Trivia subpage. Some people haven't gotten the memo.

@Fighteer: This is something I wanna know since The Other Darrin is usually on the Trivia part of Tv Tropes and Role Reprisal isn't.

Shifting examples around takes time, and the older the Trivia flagging the more progressed. That the two tropes have been Trivia-shifted to different degrees doesn't mean anything.

Do examples of Call-Back belong in a Character Sheet, specially when there are a lot of entries describing the character already?

Not pothloling it somewhere, but adding an individual entry about it, rarely brief... It feels wrong when an entry pimp crams a recap of the story in a character page, as it's mostly a narrative trope. Overdosing tropes and all, "main" is the place.

edited 5th May '14 3:13:05 AM by TrollBrutal

I agree that Call-Back shouldn't be crammed into Characters pages.

I keep seeing Bratty Half-Pint being applied to characters who aren't children in appearance or actual age, but are rather the youngest and shortest/smallest members of their Cast Herds, and have childish immaturity as a distinctive personality trait (e.g. Team Fortress 2's Scout). Is this correct usage?

Every now and then characters from A Song Of Ice And Fire are labelled Serial Killer

From the trope page alone:

• Ramsay Snow in A Song of Ice and Fire, alongside with being a torturer and altogether unpleasant person in every regard. Even his father, himself a fairly monstrous man, finds his excesses distasteful.
  • Gregor Clegane also fits the bill, as he responsible for the murder of his father, his younger sister and his two wives, as well as many, MANY other innocent people during the story.
  • Rorge and Urswyck of The Brave Companions also seem to have been this before they joined the group.
  • For someone who follows an "always keep your hands clean" philosophy, Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish" is already starting to rack up the body count made up of those who had become a liability to his plans.

I'm not sure if they qualify, they live in a violent world where killing and maiming is "commonplace", Psycho for Hire or The Unfettered, war criminals and the like sure, monsters and all, but serial killer evokes murder-mystery settings where law enforcement is actively present.

edited 9th May '14 8:52:39 AM by TrollBrutal

Serial killer has a very precise definition: someone who murders for gratification, multiple times, with a "cooling off" period between murders. In other words, they do it to satisfy an urge or compulsion.

I suspect those examples would properly belong somewhere else. In a world where casual murder is commonplace, you don't qualify as a serial killer unless your behavior is aberrant even by those standards.

I'm not familiar with the stories in question, but I would not be inclined to label someone who kills for "practical" reasons (theft, political advancement, professional obligations, etc) to be a serial killer in the sense that the term is most often used.

Okay, this going to be somewhat of a stupid question, but I'm trying to figure out if this character just suffered a nasty case of Heroic BSoD (or something similar) that along with everything else made him cynical or if he crossed the Despair Event Horizon line somewhere.

Anyways, spoilers for the Goblin arc of season two of Ultimate Spider-Man ahoy!:

In the episode Carnage, Harry as Venom in a fit of rage is trying to kill his dad. Peter shows up and tries to talk him out of it. Which leads to line this line by Harry: "He's a monster. I'm a monster." Fortunately, Peter manages to talk him out of killing his dad.

However, later episodes show that Harry's become bitter along the way. Venom Bomb has Spidey give Harry good news about his dad, but Harry's rather cynical about it and mentions bitterly how everything's changed and things won't go back to normal. Skipping over Harry's next major appearance and going straight forward to Second Chance Hero. In that episode, he'd rather die then let Spider-Man save him.

To me, it seems to be more of a case of Heroic BSoD mixed in with another trope, but I just wanted to know if the Despair Event Horizon line got crossed somewhere. The show tries to be lighthearted as possible, just let you know. Also, Carnage isn't the first episode that had bad stuff happen to him, but it's the noticeable episode where he's despairing about it.

edited 10th May '14 6:06:08 PM by sparkykandy

In Doom, the heroes are riding a train and are trying to kill a giant cyborg. One character sneaks up, ties a rope around its leg, and they toss the grappling hook outside at an anchor, so that the big monster will be yanked out of the train.

Is What a Drag the appropriate trope here? I'm not sure if it counts for all "pulled by a rope" use or only for when dragging is used for torture and killing.

EDIT:

Concerning that Song of Ice and Fire and Serial Killer issue, Ramsey is the closest one to qualifying. He does routinely hunt his serving girls for sport. Ultimately though, I think Serial Killer is really meant for a society similar to ours or the mystery/crime genre.

edited 14th May '14 10:34:15 PM by Rotpar

@sparkykandy: That's not Heroic BSoD — for one thing, Harry isn't a hero, at least not as I understand it. Second, Heroic BSoD requires that a character have a complete breakdown: enter a fugue state, go into a retirement, or otherwise fall apart. What you describe isn't that at all. It could be Despair Event Horizon.

I'm not sure if What a Drag is meant to count that particular sort of thing. Also, hunting people for sport isn't Serial Killer; that's a different trope.

edited 15th May '14 6:36:30 AM by Fighteer

Hunting the Most Dangerous Game, for the record.

edited 15th May '14 7:58:30 AM by Discar

Right trope, wrong redirect. We made it Hunting the Most Dangerous Game to avoid confusion with the novel.

Edit: goddamn ninjas!

edited 15th May '14 8:00:05 AM by Fighteer