Is this an example?

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Are any of these just Meaningful Name instead of Steven Ulysses Perhero or Prophetic Name?

From A Very Long Rope to the Top of the Sky:

• Mort, the gravekeeper. Mort is the Latin root word for death.
• Brooke, the girl who likes water, and makes fountains.
• Deirdre is Irish, Gaelic, and possibly Celtic for "broken-hearted, sorrowful", and she's initially sorrowful over the loss of her son, Ben.
• Solomon, which was the name of a king, known as "the Wise", and the one in-game is a scientist, and tries to wisely handle the relationships between the Somnians and Lydians.
• Rose, a gardener.

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And would Rose fit The Tragic Rose, if she lost her children and was imprisoned as a heretic because of who her lover was?

Laconic is saying "The usage of roses to represent a combination of beauty and tragedy."

But most uses seem to be just tragedy, no beauty?

edited 30th Mar '18 2:31:58 PM by Malady

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The first five all fit best under Meaningful Name. As for The Tragic Rose, I think it qualifies.

- But, Steven Ulysses Perhero is a subtrope of Prophetic Names, which is itself a subtrope of Meaningful Name, so if they could fit in either of the first two tropes, they should go in them?

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I think the first two qualify for Steven Ulyses Perhero. The rest are borderline- I could be persuaded either way.

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From WhatAnIdiot.Steven Universe:

• "The Trial"
  • Once you look past the interesting lore revelations, this entire episode is a non-stop parade of idiot ball. To begin, Rose Quartz, or rather Steven Universe under the belief of being Rose Quartz, the most hated, notorious, and dangerous gem criminal in the mind of all Homeworld, is put on trial before the Diamonds.
    You'd Expect: There would be extremely tight security at such an event. There should be legions of quartz soldiers and agates guarding the infamous Rose Quartz, armed with Gem destabilizers and a myriad of more deadly equipment, especially given that she's going to be standing within 30 feet of two of the remaining Diamonds, and she's already believed to have killed one. The trial room should be on complete lockdown and armed to the teeth
    Alternatively: Rose Quartz should be seriously restrained. She should be bubbled, or caged, or chained down, or held under guard. We know Homeworld has a host of effective gem trapping technologies for keeping gems in line; we would expect them to use maximum security against Rose Quartz.
    Or Even: There to be no trial whatsoever. Never in the series have we been given any indication that gems have any sort of rights or legal system, and Homeworld's hatred of Rose Quartz is overwhelming. In such a totalitarian society, you'd think dissidents and rebels would be executed immediately, with no thought of due process.
    Instead: None of this happens. There is no security detail whatsoever. Steven is given a state appointed defense attorney, and is not restrained or hindered in way, shape, or form while in court. He's allowed to walk around the room freely with nothing to hold him back. There's literally nothing stopping him from launching an attack at the Diamonds right at that moment if he wanted to.
    Then: The Blue Zircon Defense attorney requests that Blue Diamond's palanquin be brought into the trial for an illustration.
    You'd Expect: Them not to leave the palanquin unguarded, open and running in the middle of the courtroom
    Or at Least: To have some sort of safety mechanism on the vehicle that prevents it from being stolen, like, I don't know, a key.
    Instead: Steven and Lars hijack the palanquin with no effort. Right in front of the Diamonds. Apparently anyone can fly the palanquin, even if they have no experience driving so much as a car. And mind you, this after Pearl was shown to be unable to operate Homeworld technology as simple as a door.
    It Gets Worse: Right before their escape, Yellow Diamond loses her temper and poofs both Zircons, including the one who was on her side, but doesn't do anything to Steven. That's right; she takes her anger out on her own subjects but not the alleged criminal who the trial was set for, who she very vocally wanted to have shattered or worse. She doesn't even attempt to poof him; even though that would be as easy as literally putting down her thumb.
    As a Result: Steven and Lars, who a combination of mechanical hijinks and apparently paper-this bricks used to line the courtroom, drive the palanquin straight to the wall of the building and escape with minimal effort and no bodily harm form what should be the most secure, guarded place in the universe.
    And It Gets Even Worse: Yellow Diamond then takes the trouble to use her lightning powers to blast a freaking hole through the side of her own building as Steven and Lars are escaping. Is this to pursue them? To fire a lightning bold parting shot at them as they fall? To hinder their escape in any way? No, she just wants to yell a final taunt at them as they slip out of her grasp, while doing absolutely nothing to stop them.

edited 30th Mar '18 4:33:30 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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Does this seem like a proper example of Triple Shifter, Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World, or both?

• Most Magical Girls in Sleepless Domain don't have to worry too much about this. Their school hours are adjusted to allow them to spend days in school, nights fighting monsters, and mornings in-between sleeping. They're also perfectly free to take nights off as needed. Those, however, are the ones who register with the government and attend a specific school. Magical Girls who don't register, but still fight monsters, like Tessa's classmate Rue, have to cope with normal school hours along with nighttime monster fighting. Rue has worked out a system for sneaking naps throughout the day, such as in the first few minutes of class where the teacher regularly talks about her life before going into the lesson.

I originally put it in Triple Shifter, since Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World seemed to have focus on school life as a requirement, which isn't the case with Rue in particular or most characters in general beyond scenes taking place at school.

While that trope is usually filled with complaining, that's even worse. Way too long and rambly and too many progressively complainier bolded words.

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I decided to remove the example.

edited 30th Mar '18 6:11:01 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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WhatAnIdiot.Steven Universe:

• "Your Mother and Mine"
  • A downplayed example; Steven visits Lars and the Off-Colors when they need to make repairs, since their last dog fight destroyed their thrusters. The attempts instead drain all the power from the ship, stranding them in space and delaying their journey further.
    You'd Expect: Steven would run to get Peridot or Pearl for help through his mane. Both of the Gems are skilled mechanics, and Peridot has experience with the more recent Gem technology. It also helps that Peridot is tiny, so she can fit through Lars's head.
    Alternatively: Steven would try his healing spit to fix whatever is wrong with the ship and restore power. Even if it's not enough, it may help so that the ship can move and resume its journey. He wants to get home and to show the Off-Colors what Earth is like and how safe it is.
    Instead: Steven gets Garnet, who's been eager to meet the Off-Colors. While she manages to cheer up the Off-Colors with the true story of Rose's Rebellion, and help them steal the supplies they need for repairs, it feels like Steven made a tactical error and cost Lars valuable time.

I believe the episode implied that Steven had already planned on taking Garnet to meet the Off Colors, and he just arrived at an inopportune time. Him not going to get Peridot or Pearl or attempting to use his healing spit is most likely because Garnet immediately started telling the Off Colors about Rose's origins after hearing the rumors they heard about her. Or he just didn't think about it.

edited 31st Mar '18 2:42:15 PM by Crossover-Enthusiast

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So it worked, and was along what he planned all along, but it wasn't efficient enough? It doesn't read like an example at all.

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From Literature.Ready Player One:

• Added Alliterative Appeal: Wade's father gave him the name Wade Watts because he thought an alliterative name sounded more like a superhero's name.

So, does Added Alliterative Appeal accept examples, or is it an index? And if it does accept examples, what are its requirements?

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From Characters.Pokemon Anime Ash And Pikachu

Ash Ketchum's entry on Jerk with a Heart of Gold is: In early arcs, Ash was very impudent and temperamental, and not always good at accepting his shortcomings, still he was no less altruistic and noble. He toned down as arcs progressed, though his Hot-Blooded streak remains at times.

Pikachu's entry on Jerk with a Heart of Gold was: Initially to Ash, but warms up to him after Ash saves him from a flock of Spearows. Like Ash however, he spent a lot of early Kanto with a scrappy, temperamental personality, before slowly becoming tamer.

These were removed by Daffy Squad, a newcomer to TV Tropes, citing that Ash is too nice to be a jerk. As such, I'm taking it here to ask if those entries are considered true Jerk with a Heart of Gold examples or would other tropes apply here.

edited 31st Mar '18 9:16:23 AM by gjjones

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Jerk with a Heart of Gold isn't when someone warms up, but when they have a harsh exterior hiding a caring nature. Removing them seems appropriate. They're not really Jerkasses, but more just rough around the edges and initially mistrusting.

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Going to bring back one from earlier and repost one, though it's just a bit higher on the page.

The first I'm wondering if it counts as Man, I Feel Like a Woman, as there's no gender bending as the trope describes as part of its definition, but hits the other beats. It falls into one of my "follows the spirit of the trope, if not the literal definition" scenarios.

• Haruko and Natsuko of Swap<->Swap are both girls, so no gender bending is involved. However, they have the ability to swap bodies and Haruko has a bad case of A-Cup Angst. As a result, the first time the girls swap, and every so often afterward, the first thing Haruko does when in the body of the much bustier Natsuko is start feeling herself up.

I'm also wondering if my post a little higher up for Sleepless Domain counts as Triple Shifter, Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World, or possibly both.

As I said last time this came up its really not that. At most it an evolution from A-Cup Angst to Big-Breast Pride and potentially Proud Beauty, Distracted by My Own Sexy, I Have Boobs, You Must Obey!.

Maybe I Just Want to Be Beautiful as well.

Where did you respond before? I didn't see any posts here about it in response to me.

I could go for Distracted by My Own Sexy, but I'm not sure it applies since it's, strictly speaking, not her sexy. The Swap Swap scenario hits every step in the give step sequence in the trope except #3, because, again, no gender bending.

None of the others really fit the situation, to my mind. Haruko doesn't display and special pride when swapped, doesn't use Natsuki's looks to get what she wants (not in the trope's sense anyway), and no indication that, outside it breast size, she considers herself ugly.

Would it work as a trope if it focused primarily on the first time a swap happened?

edited 31st Mar '18 12:46:04 PM by sgamer82

Where is my post? heck where is your post lol? Going back a bunch of pages and I dont see either of them but I remember it.

But still its really the same way if She Is All Grown Up or body swapped and yada, the person had girl parts before and still has them just with a Fanservice Pack or Girliness Upgrade.

edited 31st Mar '18 12:49:58 PM by Memers

My original post was here on page 201.

Does all that apply even if the trope plays out almost exactly as Man, I Feel Like a Woman describes?

The exact sequence is the girls crash into each other, see what's happened ("Why is there a copy of me?") and, while Natsuko's pondering that they've somehow changed bodies, Haruko is feeling up her new, bigger breasts.

edited 31st Mar '18 12:52:16 PM by sgamer82

There are quite a few inversion on the page (girl in a guy's body) like Haiyore Nyarko San Your And My Secret and Your Name, which the page denies exists. But yeah I think its gotta be opposing genders.

edited 31st Mar '18 12:57:47 PM by Memers

Then where does it fall? None of the others mentioned really apply to the specific situation.

edited 31st Mar '18 12:54:44 PM by sgamer82

@Another Duck: Removed it. What about this one?

• "The Trial"
  • Blue Diamond has been waiting for centuries to find out the truth about Pink's death. It's half of the reason why she demands that Rose be tried, assigned a defense lawyer Zircon, and allowed make a statement.
    You'd Expect: She'd have given Defense Zircon enough time to find the truth, and to tell her that is her job, and not to find the defendant innocent or guilty.
    Instead: Defense Zircon has less than a minute to talk with her client. She's also been told by Yellow Diamond, or her manager, that if Steven is found guilty, then Defense Zircon will be shattered.
    The Result: Poor Defense Zircon is a Nervous Wreck through the trial and angry that her client isn't even trying to claim innocence, instead making a confession and asking for punishment. It's not until a random break happens, thanks to Blue Diamond's powers, and Steven finally admits that he doesn't know what exactly his mother did, that Defense Zircon starts pointing out the holes in Pink's death, and confirming Blue's suspicions. Even so, Blue doesn't get closure and "Rose Quartz" manages to escape with a human in tow.

It's clear throughout the episode that while Blue wanted a trial, Yellow didn't, so Defense Zircon not having any time to talk with Steven seems to be more on her than on Blue. Also the example itself kinda gets a little derailed at the end.

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Not to mention I don't recall anything about the Blue/Defense Zircon being shattered if Steven is found guilty