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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#276: Jan 20th 2017 at 5:47:04 AM

Well, we do have different standards for works and people. Works only need to exist and have at least three identifiable tropes to be allowed a page. People either need to have created three or more distinct works or if they're not creators in their own right, the standard I pointed out above. They don't get a page with us for just sucking up air.

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#277: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:26:02 AM

Well, the page does have 77 inbounds, but I tossed it on the cut list anyway; we'll see what happens. (Not sure we want the kind of traffic a stub about a notorious white supremacist will bring us in any case.)

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#278: Feb 19th 2017 at 9:25:22 AM

This was brought up in the Trump and ROCEJ clean up thread.

George W. Bush and Barack Obama both trope the RL people. (I don't want to just randomly cut a lot from an example section without mentioning something beforehand.)

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#279: Feb 19th 2017 at 9:26:42 AM

Yeah, that goes way back to the Eddie days. They are troping his public persona and are OK under that assumption.

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#280: Feb 19th 2017 at 9:35:57 AM

OK, so we're leaving 'em. This is why I brought 'em up rather than just editing on my own. The last time I was committed to this cleaup project, things were simpler / stricter, so that's why I had the understanding that I did. Is the sum of the "standards" in the first post of this thread still applied or is it just my understanding's wrong?

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#281: Feb 19th 2017 at 12:37:25 PM

~Morganthaler Where did you get this: "People either need to have created three or more distinct works... " There's is no such requirement at all.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#282: Feb 19th 2017 at 2:05:49 PM

I do think I've heard it mentioned somewhere on the site, but if so I don't think it's ever been written down (at least not on Creator Page Guidelines), so that's probably a gaffe on my part. After all, it's you guys who make policy.

AFAIK, Rule of Three does mean works need to have at least three identifiable tropes if someone wants to add a work page. Having an additional page for a single-work creator seems a bit redundant IMO, but there doesn't seem to be a rule against it though.

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#283: Feb 19th 2017 at 2:28:58 PM

Jim Henson has a lot of examples that trope him instead of his work.

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#284: Mar 8th 2017 at 12:43:23 PM

Some of the examples on Series.The O Reilly Factor trope Bill O'Reilly. I'm not sure if the Hot-Blooded one is his public persona or not. Is it fine to just cut the Jerk with a Heart of Gold and I Was Quite a Looker examples?

I don't think It helps that the page is a catch-all for The O'Reilly Factor, Bill O'Reilly, and one of other works.

edited 8th Mar '17 12:45:05 PM by WaterBlap

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#285: Mar 8th 2017 at 1:29:05 PM

[up] Really, that should only be troping the show. Claims that O'Reilly makes about himself on the show are not fair game for trope examples.

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#286: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:44:10 PM

[up]I cut those tropes (though there are still more person-troping examples to cut that I'll get to later). Should Creator.Bill O Reilly be created? Currently, it's a redirect to his show (22 wicks, 12 inbounds).

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#287: Mar 11th 2017 at 11:47:57 AM

On Kitchen Nightmares, there's an entire folder dedicated to trash talking the RL persons who work at Amy's Baking Company. It was brought up in the discussion page that Evil Chef and Villainous Breakdown are calling RL people evil. I haven't examined the other trope folder in detail, but I wouldn't be surprised if this issue occurs for other restaurants, too.

Should the entire folder get cut or should the page get scrubbing?

I also brought this up in the troping by proxy thread, but this issue seems to just be troping real persons.

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TropesForever from TropesForever Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
#288: Mar 11th 2017 at 1:28:28 PM

[up]Oh God, with the armchair diagnosing! Could we just cut it now? Some examples pretty much straight-up say "This trope is NRLEP, but we'll make an exception here" with no mod approval or anything.

edited 11th Mar '17 1:31:37 PM by TropesForever

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Madrugada MOD Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#289: Mar 11th 2017 at 1:50:30 PM

Strip it down to only those tropes that are not NRLEP, not YMMV, not Audience Reactions.

Chop out the Natter and detailed explanations of how horrible they are.

Strip out any sub-bullets that aren't there because there are two or more distinct examples of the trope.

Clean out the italics and bold and bold italics unless they're really needed. Most of them aren't.

Go for it.

edited 11th Mar '17 1:51:41 PM by Madrugada

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Statzkeen Since: Mar, 2014
#290: Mar 25th 2017 at 8:39:09 AM

"The article for the person him/herself should avoid tropes about them as a person. It should only discuss tropes appearing in (a) their own work — speeches, books, whatever; (b) tropes appearing in fiction where they feature as a character."

This is a fair standard, the problem is most of them don't have a "tropes associated with this person's works / trops associated with this person's appearances in media are:" (and having such a list seems to be being inconsistently discouraged), instead just presenting a list of the works they appeared in, but not the tropes commonly associated with them in those works.

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#291: Mar 28th 2017 at 8:17:07 AM

I wonder what happened to Phoenix? He hasn't been around here for the past year since the Real Life trope purge. I checked his Edit Contributions and his forum activities, and the last activities he had in both were in early 2016. One reason I asked this is that like the real life Renaissance, I avoided that page like the Black Plague for a good year and a half since he removed the tropes. And then, like the era, I restored some of it because I deemed it as an era-related Setting page , like any other era-related Setting pages. I checked the page from time to time, most recently right now, and yet, no edits or any alterations from the tropes.

edited 28th Mar '17 8:26:29 AM by alnair20aug93

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#292: Mar 28th 2017 at 8:21:09 AM

And I ask myself if should I add/restore tropes portayed in fiction with regards to my personally launched pages like Coco Chanel and Pocahontas.

[up][up]It's the reason why I had a hard time trying to launch one of my drafts named "Elsa Schiaparelli" because of the policy and she barely has any notability in fiction.

edited 28th Mar '17 8:25:18 AM by alnair20aug93

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#293: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:23:38 AM

[up] You asked about adding tropes to Coco Chanel and Pocahontas in the other thread, but I was just gonna send you over here, so here's my response:

Any trope that applies to their public persona or their portrayals in fiction is pretty safe.

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DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#294: May 25th 2017 at 3:12:37 PM

About Jim Henson, his page had a misuse of What the Hell, Hero?.

edited 25th May '17 3:12:59 PM by DoctorCooper

arbiter099 Since: Jan, 2011
#295: May 28th 2017 at 12:50:23 AM

Malcolm X has a list of tropes. I assume we should axe it?

supergod Walking the Earth from the big city Since: Jun, 2012
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#296: Jun 8th 2017 at 7:41:37 PM

Yup. Useful Notes shouldn't have tropes anyway.

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#297: Dec 19th 2017 at 10:50:08 PM

So, should the tropes listed on John C. Reilly be cut?

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#298: Dec 20th 2017 at 12:13:06 PM

[up] The three that are about him, personally, should be cut. The one about one of his works should be moved to the page for that work, if we have one (which we do).

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#299: Dec 20th 2017 at 11:39:25 PM

Looked more like trivia about where he lives and the fact he's married. Not too egregious, but not really necessary. All four tropes were cut.

And now, I discovered The Fanfiction Forum and its YMMV page. What should I do about these? If I remove the tropes from the former, it becomes a stub about a fanfic website, and the latter I probably should cut.

Ditto on Warren Ellis.

ANND someone should take a look at John Keston. This one is pretty bad.

Edit: Can't do much about The Fanfiction Forum, as it was created by a mod and has a lock on it. I'm PM'ing that mod about it.

edited 23rd Dec '17 12:09:35 AM by jameygamer

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#300: Dec 23rd 2017 at 2:00:25 AM

I did only move the page into the right namespace, nothing else.

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