Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Sorcerer in training
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Potential natter magnet, possibly devolving into debate on the main page on the pros and cons of such punishment?
"In distress", my ass.
Koko, the entries for the recently called tropes have been posted to the thread for requesting edits to locked pages (which No Real Life Examples, Please! is, due to past abuse), but for the most part it's only one mod doing the edits, and he doesn't live/breathe/eat TV Tropes 24/7.
As for Corporal Punishment, I don't think it really needs to be NRLEP, though keeping an eye on it wouldn't be out of place.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
There's no Real Life section on Corporal Punishment right now, so I don't see any urgent need to prohibit one, and I don't anticipate there being one in the future, so I'm inclined to leave it alone.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Sorcerer in training
Ditzy Genius has five RL examples.
Should the first two be placed in a Jokes folder, or the first four be placed in an Others folder?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I would cut the Danish and English sayings. Crazy doesn't really fit the trope.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Three of the Hollywood Style tropes are NRLEP already, but I think the entire index needs to be; with the possible exception of Hollywood Gift Wrap I think they're all about how fiction differs from reality.
For similar reasons, most of the tropes on Reality Is Unrealistic — these can also be considered to have only Real Life examples, though if that's the case it is redundant to list them as such, and more useful to sort them by the medium of the work in which the issue arose.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
No, the other one.
Reality Is Unrealistic is when there's something happening in a work people complain about not being realistic, despite it being so. A Real Life example would be something happening in real life that people don't think is realistic. I mean, sure, you can probably move a few examples to other categories, but I don't see it being anything for this thread.
Check out my fanfiction!
Salty
Jerk with a Heart of Jerk doesn't have a real life section currently, we generally shy away from applying this to real life people and many similar tropes (including sister trope Jerk with a Heart of Gold) already are NRLEP.
edited 26th Oct '13 11:35:27 PM by Katsuhagi
Face the past and you'll fly ass first into the future. - My Dad
Sorcerer in training
Preemptive not calling people evil sounds good to me.
Mundane Object Amazement has one RL example that's very general.
On Ditzy Genius, created a Jokes folder and moved the two jokes from RL to it.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
Calling:
- Dirty Communists - Added 24th Oct '13 at 05:18:37 AM, 9:1 (10)
- Bad Is Good and Good Is Bad - Added 24th Oct '13 at 05:23:40 AM, 9:1 (10)
- Bomb-Throwing Anarchists - Added 24th Oct '13 at 05:20:55 AM, 8:2 (10)
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
What IS shoehorning?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Putting up a trope example when it doesn't fit the definition of the trope.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Is there going to be a new crowner after Jerk with a Heart of Jerk is called, or are we going to continue using this one? It's getting a little filled up. I want to add Stop Being Stereotypical (passing judgement on Real Life people's actions) but I'll wait a little if the former is the case.
A genius, a philosopher, an abstract thinker
"In distress", my ass.
Usually it's after a dozen or so entries, so yeah it's getting close to switching out with a new crowner.
edited 27th Oct '13 9:13:53 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Sorcerer in training
Fluffy the Terrible's description strictly involves animals and monsters, but the RL section has a lot of stuff that's not animals or monsters. (Although it is some scary stuff.) A lot of them are 'big scary not-animal/monster thing with goofy name'.
I also think there might be some natter in there (like the information of why US tanks are named after famous generals). There's also three entries that 'this name means this silly/cutesy thing' and an entry about how Stalin was called 'Uncle Joe'.
A lot of it's interesting. I just don't know if it fits under that particular trope.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Lost in Space
There are a lot of folders in Americans Hate Tingle that deal with Real Life subjects like cars, clothing, businesses, and people. Those are the sorts of things that seem to accumulate complaining and/or political screeds, and have to judge by the article's history.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I recall there being a food section there that created a lot of edit warring.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lost in Space
To add to the fun, FlameWar.Real Life. Yes, we have that. [facepalm]
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
Double Post: I added FlameWar.Real Life to the crowner as it's so obvious. I'll wait for more opinions on Americans Hate Tingle.
I suppose we could switch it out; I don't usually handle that, though.
edited 29th Oct '13 8:32:55 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Where would be the best place to discuss if Flame War should have any examples at all? Sounds to me like having examples is just importing drama.
Trope Repair Shop.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Jerk with a Heart of Jerk - Added 26th Oct '13 at 11:34:37 PM, 12:1 (13)
All your safe space are belong to Trump
The Family for the Whole Family is a villain trope with a Real Life section (It contains two examples, about the terrorist groups Weather Underground and Youth International Party).
"In distress", my ass.
^ Yeah, that looks like NRLEP fodder to me, too. Adding to the crowner, which should probably be the last entry until the next crowner is hooked.
Also, I'm not going to bother reverting it, but please wait until the crowner vote is decided before deleting an RL section, even for obvious NRLEP material.
edited 30th Oct '13 5:00:34 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I'm not sure I would buy into the idea that Corporal Punishment is always wrong. However, it is so common in the real world that trying to track examples would be kinda pointless.