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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
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- There must be support from others in thread.
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- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
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- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
"In distress", my ass.
Suggested within the last 24 hours:
- Gypsy Curse: Suggested for being about stereotypes and not being possible in RL.
- Nothing Exciting Ever Happens Here: Suggested for being previously a "soft" NRLEP (statement in description but not formally made NRLEP) that was still attracting problematic (in the context of this thread) entries, and being a narrative trope.
I wouldn't have any problem with either being added, but I'm short on time at the moment.
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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
So, can anyone add them to the list?
Oh God! Natural light!
No, the other one.
I find that Nothing Exciting Ever Happens Here doesn't show any problems, so I don't see a point in listing it.
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@Karkat: Anyone can add them. Please use the time of the edit inserting that entry for the start of the 48 hours; that gives everyone a solid baseline to work with.
For future entries, one of the reasons we prefer to discuss tropes in the thread first is, often, they just need cleanup, not full NRLE Ping. (Check the work on the Artistic License tropes recently.) It also helps tell people who watch this thread there's something new to talk about. 
(Cracks knuckles) Time to nuke Artistic License – Law general examples, then see what's left.
Edit: A LOT of this stuff belongs on a Useful Notes -Law type page, not Artistic License.
Edit 2: Gah! ALL the Conversation on the Main page! Argh!
Anyway...
I went through every. single. bullet point on the page. Every one. I found two definite specific examples of AL Law and one maybe. Everything else was shoehorning, Conversation, natter, general examples (for a bonus, some argued with themselves), etc. when it wasn't stuff better discussed on the specific tropes indexed or on a Useful Notes page.
If anyone wants to doublecheck if I hit it with the pruners a little too aggressively, go ahead.
Artistic License – Linguistics -No RL section, but has tropes indented under other tropes.
Acoustic License -No RL Examples
Artistic License – Animal Care -RL subpage. Lots of "dogs, cats, snakes, ferrets" etc., type examples. No specific case. Should we just cutlist the thing? (NOT banning RL examples, just cutting the page because none of the examples are proper examples at the moment. A new RL folder can go on the page when the time comes.)
edited 8th Apr '17 10:36:23 PM by Candi
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"In distress", my ass.
In addition to what Candi said, KarkatTheDalek, for the time stamp on the entry you should use the one that's given when you click on the entry's history (the open book icon), as that shows server time no matter what your personal time zone settings for the forums.
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Pending:
- Gypsy Curse: Added 7th Apr '17 at 08:45:38 PM, 11:0
Waiting until Monday to make the final call so the weekenders can chime in, but with that vote ratio it's unlikely to fail to qualify for NRLEP.
edited 9th Apr '17 7:13:18 AM by Nohbody
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I feel like a wick check should be done for those AL articles that ought to be cut. AL-Law and AL-Animal Care might get cut if there's a wick check, though I think I have seen the Animal Care trope be used correctly in some articles around the wiki so maybe it's a crosswicking issue.
"In distress", my ass.
The only change on Gypsy Curse is one more "yes" vote, so I think it's safe to call it to go on the NRLEP list. Added 7th Apr '17 at 08:45:38 PM, 12:0.
Nothing pending at the moment.
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"In distress", my ass.
On a related note, though, perhaps Hollywood Voodoo and Indian Burial Ground (mentioned as related tropes on GC) should also take a spin through the crowner. Both of them have examples that miss out on the stuff that makes HV and IBG actual tropes instead of People Sit on Chairs, particularly the spiritual stuff that doesn't happen in RL, as well as feeding on stereotypes regarding voodoo and Native Americans.
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Can't hurt. Adding.
Indian Burial Ground does not actually require any real supernatural forces. Voted it down thus.
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I am not seeing the racist stereotypes in the RL folder of Indian Burial Ground. Is it racist for a group of Indians in Kansas City to build on top of an Indian burial ground? That particular example as written lacks any apparent racism. Moreover, I don't think it's People Sit On Chairs in RL. Most of the examples cover protests regarding these burial grounds, and I think that's noteworthy. It's along the lines of a historical narrative about a location.
I think the worst example there is the New Orleans Superdome one, and that could probably be moved into a Folklore folder (or Sports folder).
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
No, the other one.
For Hollywood Voodoo, I find that the two examples there are Exploited Tropes, so they're specific examples I don't think fall foul of the "no stereotyping" rules. Would they fit better in some other folder?
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I actually feel the description of Indian Burial Ground really shouldn't have that one paragraph about non-supernatural uses (except maybe the bit about Westerns) when it's otherwise almost entirely about the fantasy-horror-curse thing.
No, the other one.
It can be about the belief in some kind of curse, or just plain ol' respect for the dead.
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I'm objecting more to the bit about "substituting for Buried Treasure in comedies", which really has nothing to do with anything else on the page.
(That's not actually relevant to the real life section - it just stood out to me when I checked the definition against what's been said in this thread).
No, the other one.
Oh, that part. Yeah, it doesn't seem like the same trope. It's not about treasure hunting. It's about the negative consequences of disturbing the grounds.
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I think Silver Fox needs to have a shave. The trope is basically "older people who have retained their physical attractiveness." Textbook Appearance Trope gush magnet. Also, it's full of ZCEs.
edited 10th Apr '17 6:57:50 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695
"In distress", my ass.
Pending:
- Indian Burial Ground: Added 10th Apr '17 at 07:11 AM, 1:3 (8)
- Hollywood Voodoo: Added 10th Apr '17 at 07:11 AM, 1.5:1 (10)
- Silver Fox: Added 10th Apr '17 at 06:57 PM, 4:2 (6)
For Your Own Good's RL section, well...isn't. Straight camps, troubled teen boot camps, and more besides. Adding it on the basis of Flame Bait.
Blapper of Water
I removed the "troubled teen" camp example because it was overly negative and complaining. Tempted to separate the poorly indented examples under the "straight camp" entry.
Why would "controversial examples" be a reason to make it NRLEP? Is there a demonstrable problem with edit warring or flame bait? Nobody complained in the discussion page, and the recent history doesn't show much of a problem.
Moreover, I don't think that a trope being compared to other NRLEP tropes is a strong reason to make it NRLEP...
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@6433 Water Blap: Artistic License aren't generally supposed to be listed as tropes; the tropes listed/indexed on them are. A wick check would be misleading at best, since likely most of what will be uncovered will be misuse.
Edit:
Artistisc License Animal Care: On review, I found one specific RL example on the page. I copied it over to the main page, created a folder, and cutlist the RL page. I also sorted out the "Other" folder. (All Media/Website examples.)
Artistic License – Awards: Unusual folderizing featured, but mostly looks fine, if a bit sloppy.
The first Nobel Prizes folder reads more like Useful Notes, has a Conversation feel, and indentation issues. All the NP examples are in the second NP folder. Should the first folder just be cut,or should it be merged with the second one?
Artistic License – Economics -no RL folder, but does have an "Aversions" and "Post-scarcity Economies" folder. Those could probably be merged into the examples respective folders. (Is there a cleanup thread for that kind of thing?)
Artistic License – Engineering -no RL folder
Artistic License – Film Production -no RL folder. (It would be kind of amusing if there was.)
Artistic License – Geography -No RL folder
Artistic License – Geology -No RL folder
Artistic License – Gun Safety -No RL folder
Artistic License – History -No RL folder, but to me the opening line of "Ah yes, history, written by the victors, with all the eyewitnesses lost to time..." sounds a little snarky.
Artistic License – Martial Arts -... There's a "General" folder. Permission to nuke?
edited 11th Apr '17 9:13:05 PM by Candi
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No, the other one.
Removed two generic "examples" from For Your Own Good. Unsure if one or two of the remaining ones should be moved to other folders, such as Literature.
edited 12th Apr '17 11:36:20 AM by AnotherDuck
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The Written by the Winners pothole led me to check that RL section. I proceeded to chop an example of The American Civil War due to a) said war being only about 150 years in the past despite a clear floor of 200, and b) lest that be considered pedantic, it's still prone to flame wars today, especially in the former Confederacy.
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