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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
That would count as a newspaper article that's fictional. It writes about the future like any other story using the trope, and is proven wrong once the event actually happens.
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The newspaper that printed that headline hadn't waited for the California returns, and Dewey had so far had a very strong showing. At the time they printed it, they honestly believed Dewey would be the next president, since at the time he was ahead at the ballot box. Than the CA returns came in, and Truman had won the state electoral vote big time. It was a short-term 'this is the present/future' event, disproved within a day, but at the time it was printed, it was honestly believed that that was what was going to happen.
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Wait, that one actually had a Real Life section??? How?...
"In distress", my ass.
^ Shoehorning RL examples into tropes where they obviously don't apply is somewhat of a (dubious) tradition on the wiki. 
Anyway, calling:
- Jeanne d'Archétype: Added 12th Oct '14 at 10:50:32 PM, 18:0
- Drunk on the Dark Side: Added 12th Oct '14 at 10:49:04 PM, 3.25:1 (17)
That leaves the ones that didn't make the cut, and will go on the Keep RL examples page in a minute:
- Safe, Sane, and Consensual: 9y/9n
- Weird Sun: 7y/9n
- Weird Moon: 7y/9n
With those addressed, it's time to hook a new crowner, available here. Hollering for that after I hit "send".
edited 15th Oct '14 6:40:35 AM by Nohbody
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The new crowner's hooked and the thread title's updated.
No, the other one.
Most of the Real Life Chekhov's Gunman "examples" are about people who for some strange reason didn't spontaneously start to exist at the moment they were important for some historical event. And the first "example" doesn't even fit the trope any way you slice it. That's a Butterfly Effect if anything, but considering what the actual "example" says, not even that.
It requires a narrative, or is applicable to every single important person who has ever existed. Without any real qualifier of what "important" includes.
I'd clean it, but I don't want to bother if it's going to get cut anyway.
Edit: I took a closer look at Dewey Defeats Truman again. I found that only the first example in the RL section is actually an example of the trope. The rest of them are misinterpreting what has happened. Believing someone to be dead before they are, or misunderstanding an election or bill or something else is much the same. Those are all misunderstandings that are clear the moment they are printed.
The Trope Namer example, on the other hand, is about an event that hasn't happened yet, which is what the trope is about. The election didn't finish until after the article was printed. The same doesn't hold true for an obituary, since that claims the person is dead at the moment of the printing.
edited 16th Oct '14 10:46:05 PM by AnotherDuck
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Obituaries printed prematurely would be Reports of My Death Were Greatly Exaggerated, I think.
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As far as I can tell, the only difference between Dewey Defeats Truman — the trope — and Alternate History is that Dewey applies to works written before what turns out to be the point of divergence. All the RL examples are shoehorned.
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No, the other one.
Those can be moved there, then, unless they already exist.
Immortality Begins at Twenty has a real life section even though Immortality isn't possible(yet).
No, the other one.
The first "example" is just how immortality would probably work if it was real, and might fit an analysis or something (although since both that and the description are rather short, I wouldn't mind putting it there, abbreviated somewhat). The second isn't the trope at all.
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The Real Man / The Roleplayer / The Loonie / The Munchkin are a classic categorization of roleplayer stereotypes and the kind of characters they play. This makes it de facto impossible for any of them to have real life examples.
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I really think that the page should be sorted by reason instead of A-Z, but that's just me.
Anyway, I found out someone wrote a RL section of Everyone Is Gay. It's not problematic, but it is a fanfic trope, and said entry is complaining about how everyone assumes every attractive male celebrity is gay regardless of their relationship status. It specificly addresses gossip columns, so it could be moved to a different category.
So add it or not?
edited 19th Oct '14 3:24:40 PM by Smasher
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I have never heard of that phenomenon. Anyway, in real life, many people are not gay, as I imagine quite a few of us have partners who will attest.
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Everyone is Gay will probably go under talking about real life people, which we don't do. I've also seen it show up in a couple published works, but (currently) not happening in real life. Either is good enough reason to add it to the crowner.
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Non-facetious opinion: Everyone Is Gay is about a fictional universe that has (or is portrayed in fanfic has having) a larger number of people who are't straight than would be expected in Real Life. Real life, then, is not such a universe, having exactly as many people who are not straight as Real Life does.
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Shall we nominate, then?
edited 19th Oct '14 5:51:51 PM by VeryMelon
No, That's Cast Full of Gay. Everyone Is Gay is a fandom/fan fiction trope.
edited 19th Oct '14 5:55:57 PM by Smasher
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Ah, misread. I'm not a fan of RL sections on fanfic tropes, but I seem to be a minority there.
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....dafuq? That has an actual, separate real life page?????
edited 19th Oct '14 6:03:43 PM by tryrar
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I don't think the Trope Namer for Dewey Defeats Truman is an example; the trope is "writer writes about the future (usually 20 Minutes into the Future or even Next Sunday A.D., but sometimes the more distant future) and makes a reference that we now know to be impossible." Like the "Queen Diana" thing from Back To The Future Part II.
If I'm reading the description correctly, it means "not Alternate History when it was written but it ends up looking like it is." Alternate history, even if only de facto, by definition has no Real Life examples.
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