Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 8th June 2015):

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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 10th Nov '14 7:30:06 AM by SeptimusHeap

2676 HersheleOstropoler12th Mar 2014 01:21:52 PM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
I thought Alpha Bitch was NRLEP already?
The child is father to the manOedipus
Apparently not. I see neither the visible or the invisible tag on it, and it has a AlphaBitch.Real Life subpage, although granted with only one example.
2678 Candi12th Mar 2014 06:03:48 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Archive Bingeing
I asked about Alpha Bitch before, but no one ever replied, so I didn't add it. I adhere to 'I can be wrong', such as on Pint-Sized Powerhouse, so I don't like unilaterally adding something without a discussion first. Unless it's a Villain trope.
A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
2679 HersheleOstropoler12th Mar 2014 10:39:28 PM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
A couple of RL examples in Dirty Old Woman are about stand-up comics' personas, perhaps those should be moved?
The child is father to the manOedipus
2680 Candi12th Mar 2014 11:44:50 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Archive Bingeing
Comedy folder, maybe? I've seen those around here and there.
A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
2681 Madrugada13th Mar 2014 12:21:24 AM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
That would work, yes.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Well wait, would the same be true for Dirty Old Man?
The people who made Most Definitely Not a Villain probably misread the trope title as "Most Definitely Not A Tourist" since most examples are tourists. The section also includes Japanese restaurants as an example. The only example that could be even remotely close to being considered a villain is one involving a spy, and even then, we have our "Real Life people cannot be villains" policy, so that one also doesn't count.
2684 nrjxll13th Mar 2014 07:47:58 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Baffling as it may seem, Most Definitely Not a Villain is not actually a villain trope. It's "The impersonation equivalent of Paper-Thin Disguise."
2685 Candi13th Mar 2014 08:29:53 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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There's still the issue of misuse and shoehorns. That section is bad.

I'm not exactly sure where 'they were just posing as a villain, they're not really' falls on the don't insult RL people scale.
A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
2686 nrjxll13th Mar 2014 09:14:14 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Again, while there's a lot of misuse (the page on tourists is basically one giant shoehorn, unless pretending to be natives is a thing most tourists do these days), it's not a villain trope. It's about a transparently-awful attempt at impersonating someone.
2687 Candi13th Mar 2014 09:37:32 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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.....there are a lot of ways that can attract natter and This Troper tales. Especially when a disguise passed during say, a crime, but afterwards hindsight picks out all the things that were wrong with the disguise in the first place.

I still think it should be NRLEP, but taking out the Villain Trope designation seems justified.
A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
2688 Madrugada14th Mar 2014 12:54:55 AM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
It's not a villain trope in the sense of calling people villains, although it can and often is used by villains. Remove the "Villain Trope" reason from the crowner.

It's a comedy trope.

But the Real Life section doesn't have a single valid example in it.

edited 14th Mar '14 1:00:49 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
2689 Candi14th Mar 2014 01:21:06 AM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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And removed Villain trope designation per discussion.

A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
Do we really a page to lists all of the insults used against real people's mothers!? (Your Mom)

Also it looks like some of the examples in the real life section of your mom may be misplaced.

Calling Dirty Old Woman (unopposed) Added 10th Mar '14 at 06:28:18 PM

I am also calling Alcoholic Parent (15:1), Goddamned Bats (7.5:1), and Forced Into Evil (5:1). All of the previously listed items were added on March 10.

edited 14th Mar '14 8:05:49 PM by Feinoha

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2691 Candi14th Mar 2014 08:24:59 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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@Feinohna: That's not proper format or procedure, my friend. We format and call it like below, and we transfer the reasons to the Edit Requests for Locked pages thread.

We also put the [[noreallife]] tag on the pages when the items are removed, to kick up the proper warning in the editing page, delete the RL sections, and use [[strike: ]]] markup to cross them off the list. Please also check out way I formatted my edit request on the Edit Requests for Locked Pages thread.

I personally make a note not only in the edit reasons, but also on the discussion page.

It's great you want to help, but please do it this way. It's the way that was working best when I first wandered in. smile

Calling:

  • Dirty Old Woman: We REALLY don't need to know. Also kind of flame bait material. 17:0

  • Alcoholic Parent: The Alcoholic is already NRLEP, and like with that trope the wiki doesn't need the gossip. 15:1 (16)

  • Goddamned Bats: Video Game and fictional trope, impossible in Real Life. Complaining, natter, thread mode, and shoehorning. 7.5:1 (17)

  • Forced Into Evil: Villain trope 5:1 (18)

$*(&^(#... GD Bats RL is a page. I hope I cutlisted it properly.

edited 14th Mar '14 8:38:02 PM by Candi

A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
I'll have to remember that if I call any tropes in the future. Thanks for explaining the proper process. :)
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2693 Candi14th Mar 2014 08:38:20 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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No problems. smile

Edit: I just finished cleaning them up and inserting the no real life markup. If you want to take a look, you can. Or you might want to look at Nohbody's work. He's the master at it. tongue

edited 14th Mar '14 8:40:39 PM by Candi

A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
I Banged Your Mom: Sex trope, and the Real Life section is mostly Natter.
2695 XFllo16th Mar 2014 05:53:30 PM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
I'd like to suggest a villain trope — Dark Mistress. However, the crowner looks full. Should I wait for a new one, or is it ok? :-)
2696 Candi16th Mar 2014 08:13:31 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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(Does a quick count) I think we're good for up to five more entries before the new crowner has to be created and hooked.

edited 16th Mar '14 8:13:46 PM by Candi

A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
2697 XFllo17th Mar 2014 10:58:13 AM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
[up] Thanks, Candi. Dark Mistress is there.
2698 Candi17th Mar 2014 06:25:32 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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[up]I added the timestamp for you. :)
A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
2699 Candi17th Mar 2014 08:58:12 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Calling:

Timey-Wimey Ball: Impossible in real life. Shoehorned examples. 7:1 (16)

That One Player: Should only have In-Universe examples. "This game has some very skilled players" is too subjective. 4.67:1 (17)

Alpha Bitch: The trope describes an inherently horrible person. It's also not nice to call real life people bitches any more than Jerkasses or villains. 4.67:1 (17)

Jerk Jock: The trope describes an inherently horrible person. It's also not nice to call real life Jerkasses or villains. Related to Alpha Bitch. 4.33:1 (16)

Not NRLEP at this point: Most Definitely Not a Villain. RL section needs serious scrubbing, though. Not a single example fits.

(Counts) We'll probably need a new crowner after the last two get called.

edited 17th Mar '14 9:13:25 PM by Candi

A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value. -Isaac Asimov
2700 shimaspawn17th Mar 2014 10:58:46 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
When you're cutting real life examples, make sure the examples you're cutting are actually real life examples. Half of the Dirty Old Woman examples you cut just needed to be moved to a comedy section since they're about stand up comic's acts. If you're going to do the job, do it right. Not sloppily.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

Page Action: Real Life Section Maintenance 33
3rd Jun '15 8:18:54 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
These are pages that have been proposed to have their Real Life sections cut and tagged to not be recreated.

Vote UP to indicate you think the Page should have NO Real Life examples.

Vote DOWN to allow Real Life examples.

Items that have been stricken (like so) have already been decided, with ten or more total votes, more than 48 hours on the crowner, and are stable with at least a 2:1 yes/no ratio. No further voting is needed on those items.

To check if something has already been voted on, please see Keep Real Life Examples.

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