Apparently not, considering a recent criticism I received about having strayed into In Name Only territory.
Elaborate, please?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.It happened on SB. A user's been throwing around ideas for a major AU, so I joined in and shared my take on some things in SCE to give him ideas for his own stuff.
Except then someone spoke up that his eyes immediately glaze over whenever SCE is mentioned by me, because
... OK, in lieu of actually answering since I can't do that in good faith without reading the entirety of your story (haven't gotten the spare time to do that yet), I just have to ask this: Has anyone else commented on his post? Because it could be that he's a hardcore Original Flavor purist, and God knows how I absolutely hate such people.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Bah, he's full of it.
There's all kinds of wiggle room to play around with.
Haters gonna hate, bro.
As for me, I'd take that as a compliment. Maybe I skipped too much stuff when you first started talking about SCE, but I, too, sometimes strain to see the connection between the original NGE and your take on it. But, on the other hand, isn't that how a proper AU should be? Alternate?
Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.......I have to admit, I'm having trouble finding a problem with 's logic....
My one and only reservation with is that it can be used as an excuse for bad AUs that are truly In Name Only, where it should be obvious to anyone familiar with the source material that there's nothing of the original characters left in the story besides their names, appearances, and claims by both the author and characters that they retain their some/all of their remaining canonical traits in spite of their very glaring absence.
... Then again, I do have a few AU story ideas where I put the Nerv crew into a completely new setting and have them be all one very Evil Family of Choice with one of them as the Evil Overlord, with them retaining what I believe to be core personality elements (plus Character Development through in-story experiences, whether as part of the story proper or the backstory) alongside either indulging in Rape, Pillage, and Burn or essentially condoning that from other members of their group.
Other than that, it's another good way of looking at the issue.
edited 20th Jan '17 3:34:04 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.That was my response too.
To put it in the language of my career path, to me, canon is an API: it gives me the tools but it's ultimately up to me what I do with them.
Just for the record, anyone can say "this is In Name Only". What he should've done is explain the "why" and "how" of said statement from his POV; at least then we could have some semblance of a rational debate on the topic. Without that, I feel quite within my rights to simply ignore his complaints.
Say, Amita... I remember you talking about a Magical Girl story idea for an NGE fic where the magical girls get their powers from infusion with Angel flesh, or something like that. Now I also remembered that there's actually a manga with a similar premise, albeit not really being a Magical Girl story: Freezing, where humanity finds the only feasible way to ward off incursions by genocidal humanoid-yet-inhuman aliens is to infuse young women with pieces of alien flesh and turn them into superpowered Human Weapons (called Pandora), with young men receiving similar yet different implants to act as combat support. And things go From Bad to Worse... continuously (this is probably no more of a spoiler than Aizen being revealed as both a through-and-through villain masquerading as a heroic supporting character and a Big Bad near the end of the Soul Society Arc). Oh, and there's lots of blood, gore, sexual fanservice and nastiness (though probably not at the same time... I hope), and aversion of Beauty Is Never Tarnished.
With that said, now I'm trying to imagine an "Evangelion in a Freezing-style setting and plot", with Shinji and Rei/Asuka in the roles of the male and female leads (Kazuya Aoi and Satellizer el Bridget), respectively. Note that Freezing's female lead, Satellizer, is a Sugar-and-Ice Personality-type Defrosting Ice Queen who is both ridiculously talented and exhibits a rapid growth rate as a Pandora and hates being touched to the point of being outright violent about it (except when it comes to Kazuya, for some reason).
edited 23rd Jan '17 5:26:54 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Hello all. The Second Coming is entering its final third soon and will conclude 13 weeks from Monday. From those interested in a "second-season" type of story, with new Angels, a new antagonist, and a new pilot whom Shinji helps train, I'd appreciate some input and feedback.
We've just concluded the Asuka arc of the story, and I'm looking forward to showing people some more background on the FAR and how their actions helped lead to the story's primary conflict. I hope it will be entertaining to some of you as well.
Author of The Second Coming (NGE) and The Coin (Haruhi).It's been in my to-read list for a while now but I still don't know when I will get to it.
Sorry.
"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!I have to admit, I was very surprised that you didn't immediately go for Sakura as the new primary EVA pilot, and I'm really kind of anxious to see what she's got goin' on here. If we can get that in the second season, it'd be great.
That's probably because I had the idea for this story before 3.0 came out and made Sakura into a concrete character. If not for that, I probably would've considered using her.
But, as it is, I'm very fond of Nozomi's character, so I don't regret it. Seeing official artwork◊ of the sisters come out recently almost put a wrench in my character design, though.
Author of The Second Coming (NGE) and The Coin (Haruhi).
Yeah, I hear that.
Say, how many of you watched the movie Monsters vs. Aliens? Because I lament that there's only one crossover between it and Evangelion to this day, and it's rather mediocre due to the less than stellar quality of the author's writing style.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Saw the movie, loved it, much less so the Denser and Wackier spinoff/sequel TV series (although giving Susan/Ginormica the ability to size-shift down to normal was nice).
Not terribly interested in crossing it with NGE, though.
SCE-related question regarding the Israfel battle. Which script do you guys think would be the best?
- Pre-rewrite: Evas engage Israfel and get their asses handed to them until a Mysterious Protector appears and hurts the Angel badly enough to force it into regenerative dormancy, allowing the Evas to retreat and prepare for round 2 like in canon. Unlike in canon however, the manner of preparation wasn't DDR but Dawn of War and instead of dancing, the Evas bring F-type equipment.
- Post-rewrite: Evas engage Israfel and are gaining the upper hand through 3-on-1 numerical superiority when Zeruel shows up and joins the fray, Evas get manhandled until Mysterious Protector shows up, ties Zeruel up in a duel and lures him away, allowing the Evas to resume attacking Israfel and almost finish it off before it uses illusions to escape.
- New idea: Evas engage Israfel and are initially hard-pressed by Israfel's use of Doppelgänger Attack until they tag the holograms' AT signatures to find the real one, at which point Israfel gets manhandled and almost killed before Zeruel shows up and curbstomps the Evas with minimal effort while Israfel is forcibly teleported off the battlefield by Harachel who berates him for being a "stupid pupil" Master Asia-style, with Zeruel almost killing the Evas before the Mysterious Protector arrives and ties him up in combat long enough for Harachel to pull Zeruel out too on the basis that they got what they wanted and there's no point in lingering around. Zeruel delivers a "we'll finish this later" to the Mysterious Protector and misses being punched in the face by a split second before disappearing.
... I'm torn, because each idea has its merits and can be done well.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.WARNING: FUUKA SPOILERS
So with multiple Fuukas running around, I can't help but feel like there's a Fuukaquarium... /plotbunny
Well, the intended audience reaction to the scene is "whoawhoawhoa what in the fuck just happened?!"
@amita: Given the three ideas you suggested for Israfel, I believe the "newest idea" is the one you've got that best suits your stated goal of making the audience go "ZOMGWTFBBQ?!"
Unrelated to that is the fact that, after watching a Youtube series of a guy blind-reacting to Evangelion and loving the shit out of it just as much as I did, I realized that the recent criticism I received about SCE straying too far from the source material was actually correct.
NGE gave me a completely different gut feeling. It felt... fuller. More satisfying.
Even with the source of said criticism having apologized yesterday, saying that he was frustrated for an unrelated reason and unjustly took it out on me, I feel like I have to fix this.
Now, where should I start...? I already have it nailed down that Kaworu is going to suffer major emotional trauma after Bardiel - something that causes him to have a major existential crisis. Not the "nobody loves me" kind Shinji did in canon, the "everything about me is fake" kind. Coupled with wondering about what exactly is aiding and why, he has plenty of navel-gazing material, especially once we consider that the Evas are also able to pitch in with their own viewpoint as beings bred for a singular purpose but given mental capacity for independent thought and decision-making, an inherently contradictory state of existence.
In earlier versions, I entertained the idea that beings who come into existence via artificial means are Immune to Fate which would provide a shitload of philosophical material for the characters to talk about, but it doesn't mesh well with the current cosmology. On the other hand, Kaworu's precognitive dreams explicitly defy cosmological rules, ie. are literally Beyond the Impossible. So there's potential for more material there.
edited 3rd Feb '17 3:10:33 PM by amitakartok
Huh. Most people don't normally go that far.
But then, you're a better author than most people are.