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Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Aug 13th 2011 at 4:08:21 AM

Seems to be suffering from a bit of misuse. Had to remove an example on Firefly of a character "being seemingly unable to not be a manipulative bitch" as well as on the Prinny page for "Can't switch weapons if you use this DLC", rather than for what it is- "Shapeshifter is unable to shift out of (or into) a certain form." It's possible that these are just isolated incidents, and I'll need to check the wicks to know for sure if misuse is widespread or not

Mode Lock found in: 353 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 151 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

35 random wicks from A-M:

Results: 9 incorrect (~25%), 4 more that look incorrect (Would be ~37%). It should be noted that a third of the definitely incorrect ones come from the same series (Code Geass), two more from another.

If we go for a change, I support a minor one to something like Shapeshifter Mode Lock

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#2: Aug 13th 2011 at 4:28:03 AM

Obelix is not a shapeshifter, so that usage is also incorrect. He doesn't have a different form, and he's fat because he's a glutton (just like e.g. the chief), not because of the potion.

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LiberatedLiberater 奇跡の魔女 from [DATA EXPUNGED] Since: Jun, 2011
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#3: Aug 13th 2011 at 5:02:02 AM

Huh. So Mode Lock is specifically for shapeshifting, and the one it's being confused for is Power Incontinence. I think I could support a rename for Mode Lock.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#4: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:17:05 AM

"Mode Lock" as we know it is a term coined by the Transformers fandom. It's fairly opaque in that it's only the Transformers who refer to their current form as a 'mode'.

This is a tough one to rank on Google because "mode-locking" is a pre-existing term far removed from a trope and Google keeps popping up coincidental combinations of "mode" and "lock" (even with double-quotes). "Mode lock" transform returns only about 45,000, and outside TV Tropes and one or two Transformers links, all I'm really seeing is real-world technical stuff not the trope. Adding "-tropes" to the search pops up a different #1 but that's about it.

"Mode lock" shapeshift is about as helpful, showing fewer than 2000 for any variant of the term "shapeshifting".

Now as for renames, Shapeshifter Mode Lock is far better in the clarity department — preserves the pre-existing fanterm while adding that it's a Phlebotinum Breakdown unique to shapeshifters.

edited 13th Aug '11 10:24:39 AM by Stratadrake

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billybobfred Cosine! from renamed to wingedcatgirl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#5: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:19:44 AM

Shapeshifter Mode Lock would probably get the point across.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#6: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:32:51 AM

Shapeshifter Mode Lock gets the bit of the trope that people have been missing across.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#7: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:34:50 AM

If there's any objections, I have a SP crowner ready and waiting.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/ModeLock

edited 13th Aug '11 10:35:21 AM by Stratadrake

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#8: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:39:55 AM

Your crowner says that it's an existing term from Trans Formers. But actually, it's an existing term from laser physics as well as remote control design. Its common usage outside of T Vtropes has absolutely nothing to do with Trans Formers.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#9: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:48:34 AM

"Mode lock" is far too general a term to be used for something this specific. I Thought It Meant....

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#10: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:30:59 AM

... I'm having second thoughts about my giving the URL for the crowner considering nobody has objected to the idea yet.

@Spark: Yeah, my Google searches turned up a lot of that.

edited 14th Aug '11 12:22:10 AM by Stratadrake

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Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana Since: Jan, 2001
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#11: Aug 15th 2011 at 7:40:43 PM

Crowner seems to be at 10 to zero to rename, and I believe it's been three days. Granted, most of that time was over a weekend, so it' up to you guys if you want to leave it for another day or so.

EDIT: It appears I'm mistaken, we've got until Tuesday either way.

edited 15th Aug '11 7:41:53 PM by Wulf

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#12: Aug 16th 2011 at 7:36:52 AM

I never had an issue with the name; I got it immediately. That said, if the proposed new name is Shapeshifter Mode Lock, then I think it's acceptable.

In the meantime, cleaning up wicks that should be for Power Incontinence sounds like a good idea.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#13: Aug 16th 2011 at 7:54:40 AM

Shapeshifter Mode Lock is the one most people seem in favour of. It's just adding an extra word for clarity and helping deter the current misuse.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#14: Aug 16th 2011 at 11:40:28 AM

This was definitely too early to start a crowner.

That said, I'm willing to rename based on the misuse, although I'm confused as to why we care about some technical physics term. Really? You think people are going to think, "Oh, I thought you meant the trope about synchronized laser oscillation, sorry." [lol]

Rhymes with "Protracted."
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#15: Aug 16th 2011 at 12:07:41 PM

Yeah, the misuse one is the only one that really matters to me either.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Antheia from Uppsala, Sweden Since: Jan, 2001
#16: Aug 16th 2011 at 4:22:47 PM

I did a site search for [codegeass modelock] and changed every instance of Mode Lock in a Code Geass context I could find into Power Incontinence. I think I got all of them (23 cases, all in all).

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#17: Aug 16th 2011 at 8:27:02 PM

This was definitely too early to start a crowner.
Me too, I should've kept silent on having made it instead of providing a URL for someone to hook.

edited 16th Aug '11 8:28:39 PM by Stratadrake

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Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana Since: Jan, 2001
Gotta trope, dood!
#18: Aug 17th 2011 at 11:38:16 PM

At any rate, the crowner's been stable for about 5 days and it's sitting at a 6.25:1 ratio, so I think it's safe to call it. We should throw around some new names unless there's unanimous support for just slapping "Shapeshifter" on the front and being done with it.

edited 18th Aug '11 2:36:11 AM by Wulf

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#19: Aug 18th 2011 at 4:37:56 AM

Slap "shapeshifter" in front of it and be done with it.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#20: Aug 18th 2011 at 7:34:48 AM

Strong support, no voiced objections, let's do this.


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  • Discussion/special pages (if any)
  • Index search/replace
  • Wikilink search/replace

edited 18th Aug '11 9:03:08 PM by Stratadrake

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#21: Aug 18th 2011 at 7:38:41 AM

Instead of "shapeshifter" why not "transformation"? Transformation Lock sounds good.

... We could of debated on a title before just renaming.

edited 18th Aug '11 7:39:57 AM by Raso

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#22: Aug 18th 2011 at 7:46:40 AM

Darn it all; where were you last weekend?

I'm slightly against Transformation Lock because of the whole ability-versus-event distinction. Remember when I threw Involuntary Shapeshifting into TRS? It was getting misused specifically because of this distinction — 50 percent of the time.

And the page quote isn't an example, it specifically describes a Baleful Polymorph. Having a bad page quote just adds to confusion.

So, still to do:

  • exorcise misuse from wikilinks

edited 18th Aug '11 8:00:49 AM by Stratadrake

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#23: Aug 18th 2011 at 8:06:25 AM

Shapeshifter doesn't really capture the whole trope like transformation does as most people would think it's restricted to well Stereotypical shapeshifters and not connect it with other transforming stuff like Transforming Mecha (like the former trope namer) and such.

Also don't really see a reason why this should be restricted to voluntary ones. The trope happens to involuntary ones too.

edited 18th Aug '11 8:08:27 AM by Raso

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#24: Aug 18th 2011 at 8:36:18 AM

No, when someone has been forcibly changed into a shape outside of their will and can't normally turn back on their own, it's not this trope. So it doesn't happen to characters that have been transformed.

Transforming Mecha fall under what we call shapeshifters as they can shift both ways.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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#25: Aug 18th 2011 at 8:59:58 AM

Someone getting shot with a Gender Bender ray then asking the person who did it to reverse it only for the gun to run out of juice so he is stuck like that till it recharges (which blows up after it's done charging), sounds this trope.... from To Love RU (it happens often), things happened a lot like Ranma or Gacha Gacha's Mode Lock both of which are kinda involuntary too (former requires water and the latter requires a sneeze.)

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13th Aug '11 10:25:17 AM

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