YMMV / The Batman

YMMVs for the 1943 film serial

YMMVs for the 2004 animated series:

  • Alternative Character Interpretation: Were Chief Rojas's reasons for going after Batman legit because he believed Batman to be a menace or was it because of something else? Depending on your views, Rojas might've been a Dirty Cop. He did once say that about Ethan Bennett that "He never knew how to play ball." Plus there's his timing of partnering Ellen Yin and Bennett up shortly after Thorne was defeated and some of his tactics in hunting Batman were similar to the comics version of Gillian Loeb.
  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • After the mixed reception of the Joker in Season 1, his feral persona, outfit, and combat skills were toned down to be truer to his traditional depiction.
    • Season 3 onwards has a much more traditional Batman feel to it, with the removal of Ellen Yin and Chief Rojas, plus the introduction of Batgirl.
  • Badass Decay: All of Batman's Rogues gallery suffered from heavy downgrades as the show continued. This comes to a high point in Rumors, where Batman and Robin take on the entire villain line up, defeating all of them with ease. However, Catwoman may be the only exception since she never has a pathetic moment in the entire series and always gets away. Sadly, she never turns up again after this particular episode.
    • While he may not be considered part of the normal Rogues gallery, Hugo Strange was another exception, becoming even more dangerous as the show progressed through nothing but the power of his mind. He was the only other villain present in Rumors besides Catwoman to have the sense to avoid the big fight altogether.
    • A villain that stands out is Bane. In his first appearance, he was The Juggernaut, defeated Batman in a Curb-Stomp Battle and was only defeated via Batman using a robot suit. After this, he was mostly reduced to just having his Venom shorted out in seconds or busting open bank vaults for C-list villains.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
  • Complete Monster: The Joker was once a man who wanted to make people laugh, but after he fell into a vat of chemicals, he became an insane, murderous Monster Clown and Batman's Arch-Enemy. Devoid of any empathy, Joker commits crimes he views as "jokes" at the expense of Gotham. Terrible things he's done include poisoning people with his deadly laughing gas; putting people in various death traps; torturing Detective Ethan Bennett for hours and causing Bennett's mutation into Clayface (for no reason other than to see what it would do to him); impersonating Batman and gassing people for minor crimes; using Bane's venom to go on a rampage; attempting to drop a teenage boy into a vat of chemicals; frequently mistreating his henchman and his girlfriend Harley Quinn, as well as abandoning them to be arrested or even to die; and filling the abandoned tunnels and mine shafts beneath Gotham with miles of dynamite to collapse the city to oblivion. That he manages to qualify despite being toned down to all get-out is a testament to how twisted a character Joker is.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: True to form, Joker and Harley Quinn cross into this fairly often.
    Harley: So you didn't like my show? Well try this one. "When Animals Attack PEOPLE I HATE". It's a comedy."
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
    • CASH TANKINSON, mainly for being really hilarious.
    • Quite a few of the villains got their own fanbases: Hugo Strange for being a Magnificent Bastard. The Riddler for his Dark and Troubled Past, his new gothic look, and being cool as well as voiced by Robert Englund. Clayface got this status for being an outright tragic character as well as his alter ego, Ethan Bennett. Poison Ivy for her new backstory and interesting flower-esque makeover.
    • Batgirl was well received, being loved for her energetic personality and enthusiasm.
    • Robin. His introduction was actually one of the reasons so many fans consider the 4th season the strongest.
  • Foe Yay: Batman and Joker. What, this surprises you?
    "Back off Tubby! Batsy's mine!"
    "The Batman? What if I hadn't been decent?"
    "Can't stay away from me, can you Batman? I guess opposites do attract."
    "If you really want to get inside my head, Batman...I'll take you so far in...you'll never find your way out!" *puts the miniature sized Batman in his mouth and swallows him down*
    Joker: Do you really think I'd send a flunkie to eliminate my favourite sparring partner? I reserve that pleasure for me alone.
    Batman: Then why-
    Joker: BECAUSE I MISS YOUR COMPANY, BATMAN!
  • Growing the Beard: Depending on who you ask, this is seen to happen around the beginning of either season 2, 3 or 4.
    • The two-part season 1 finale is when fans generally thought the show stopped being a 22-minute toy commercial.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • "Brawn" isn't the last we'll see of a Venom-infused Joker.
    • Also, the Batwave sometimes seems like a precursor to Batman's cell-phone gimmick in The Dark Knight.
    • This show made Mercy Graves Asian to match her voice actor. In Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and the New 52 Mercy is Asian.
    • The creators admitted to making this version of Bane basically a red Hulk. Come what Jeph Loeb did to "Thunderbolt" Ross.
    • Black Mask's first Number One, Marty's video game persona Captain Slash, and the Shadow Thief were all voiced by Diedrich Bader, who would later voice Batman in Batman: The Brave and the Bold. For extra hindsight hilarity, the Shadow Thief's appearance was in the fifth season, where a good deal of the episodes had Batman teaming up with other DC superheroes, which was the basic premise of The Brave and the Bold.
    • The Artifacts episode's false assumptions on Thomas Wayne as Batman became more of a prediction since Flashpoint had an alternate Batman as secret identity of Thomas Wayne. Though Harsher in Hindsight since he became The Alcoholic after lost of his son and transformation of his wife into Joker
  • Ho Yay:
    • The titular villain or "Rumors" is a bodyguard who failed to save his boss from being crippled by the Joker, so he became a vigilante to wipe out all criminals out of the guilt from his failure. He later even says that "this was all for him". Hugo Strange naturally has some fun with this.
      Hugo Strange: You didn't capture us so you could "save Gotham". No, you're trying to erase your own failure, of not saving your boss.
      Rumor: (a little TOO defensively) That's not true! Shut up!
    • Noticably between Poison Ivy and Barbara Gordon. Including a lot of We Can Rule Together.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • Vampire Joker was for the longest time the picture for its section of the pages.
    • Seeing Batman under the effects of Joker toxin in "The Laughing Bat" is just wrong. Oh so very wrong.
    • Black Mask. Particularly his mask. Not only does it look creepy, it's apparently unable to be removed. Is he even human underneath?
    • Ethan Bennet's treatment by the Joker near the end of the first season is just terrifying, especially near the end of the episode when Ethan's face melts he turns into Clayface.
    • "Strange New World". Hugo Strange's plan is to turn the city into a Zombie Apocalypse, with one key difference- they would be his mindless drone army, and otherwise act like regular zombies, minus the ripping people to shreds. We see it actually in action and it's terrifying. The really scary part? He put Batman into hallucinations thinking it already started, simply to initiate a literal Batman Gambit in which the "cure" Batman was setting up around the city was actually the real zombie virus, Batman almost created the nightmare he was so intent on stopping, this was what Hugo was planning from the very beginning
  • Jerkass Woobie:
    • The Riddler in "Riddler's Revenge", where Batman even comments the villain wasn't the villain, as his old partner/love interest needlessly and remorselessly betrayed him and ruined his chances at a good, normal life back when he was desperately trying to seek one.
    • Poison Ivy in "The Batman Strikes" comics (it's quite sad to see her cry.)
    • Francis Gray is portrayed very sympathetically, and is even given a second chance.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Hugo Strange.
  • Moral Event Horizon: Joker's torture of thugs is certainly crossing this, plus what he did to Ethan.
    • Tony Zucco crosses it in the first ten minutes of his appearance by killing Dick Grayson's parents (before he became Robin) just because Dick called the cops when Zucco got a bit threatening.
    • Killer Croc crosses the line when he plans to flood Downtown Gotham (which would potentially kill thousands) simply for cash.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Batgirl's overexposure in Season 3 had turned many against her, but the focus on her was toned down to more appropriate levels in Seasons 4 and 5, bringing these people back around to her side again.
    • Ellen Yin in Season 1 was not well-liked at all for constantly trying to bring down Batman and being suspicious of his hero status (as opposed to her partner Ethan, who believed in Batman as a force of good), but became more popular in Season 2 when she had a complete turnaround, becoming Batman's frequent partner and ally among the GPD.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Basil Karlo. It really doesn't help that his introduction episode is the last time Ethan even appears, and that Karlo was so uninteresting that he barely even had any speaking lines in all his subsequent appearances.
  • The Scrappy: Donnie/Prank is generally considered to be a pretty pointless and annoying character, who Harley Quinn should have taken the place of. Thankfully she does end up appearing.
    • Chief Rojas is practically a Hate Sink as he has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever as he's just a self-righteous Fat Bastard. Thankfully, Commissioner Gordon came into the picture.
  • Strawman Has a Point:
    • The episode "Rumors" involves a new vigilante capturing all of Batman's rogues with the intention of eventually executing them. Batman is naturally against this. While this is a common story for Batman, and his moral code is much easier to justify in this series since the villains have a much lower body count and haven't been at this for years, Batman doesn't really offer any rebuttal beyond "my way is right". It's also pointed out that Gotham didn't have criminals like them before Batman, something he never acknowledges in the episode. Ultimately, the story doesn't do much to disprove Rumors' arguments, and it comes off as "the hero is automatically right".
    • Despite his idiocy and stalwart hatred of Batman beyond all reason, Rojas is correct that Batman is a vigilante and should be persecuted like the rest of the Rogue's Gallery in episode 12. His reasons for wanting to do so aren't so golden, but vigilantes are criminals. It doesn't help that in the very next scene that episode, Batman's fight with Joker's thugs causes about as much property damages as Joker himself does.
  • Tear Jerker: The endings to "White Heat" and "Riddler's Revenge", as well as every episode featuring Clayface.
    • The Riddler's backstory is especially notable (as well as overlooked) the fact that this Riddler has the most tragic origin of all the animated Riddlers.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
    • The female villains. Catwoman, Poison Ivy, and Harley Quinn were never fully utilized as major characters after their debut episodes and never made many appearances as the show went on.
    • Detective Ellen Yin is the most blatant example of this trope, being a major character in the first two seasons and frequent partner to Batman in the second, and she had garnered something of a fanbase. Afterwards, she is written off the show without explanation and never referenced again outside of the episode that takes place in the future, Artifacts.
    • Dr. Hugo Strange is misused in the show's final episodes, where his original characterization as a dangerously unethical psychiatrist is laid by the wayside because there were no other generic Mad Scientists lying around.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: According to the writers, Hush was supposed to make his official animated appearance in the show and act as the Bigger Bad in the series. Unfortunately, there wasn't any demand for him and he never came.
  • Tough Act to Follow: The series itself got this treatment, and in turn eventually became loved enough that the series to come afterwards got the same.
    • Rino Romano got this as the new VA for Bruce Wayne who wasn't Kevin Conroy. Fans did warm up to him in due course, though.
    • This is especially notable when you realize how obviously the writers went out of their way to stand on their own, away from the influences of Batman: The Animated Series. By not doing Mr. Freeze's famous origin, making the Penguin his rude disgusting persona instead of his gentleman persona, Joker's design, and Harley Quinn having a completely new origin note 
  • The Untwist: It is virtually unthinkable to not give Mr. Freeze his tragic backstory in any modern incarnation... but this series decided to give a more traditional supervillain origin. Although barring that, this version of Freeze has his own merits as he still isn't outright evil and his powers were appropriately unique compared to other criminals Batman faced.


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