YMMV / Dominic Deegan

  • Acceptable Lifestyle Targets: Jocks. Are you interested in or do you like to play sports? Then you must be a racist, sexist, homophobic meathead who loves nothing more than to spout bigoted crud and assault innocent nerds. Mookie tries to soften it by including characters like Rachel and Dex, but they tend to come off as the exception rather than the norm.
  • Accidental Innuendo:
    • The tosser.
    • What sound does a falling dead fish make? Fap.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation:
    • A number of anti-fans have constructed an elaborate fanon about how the eponymous Seer is a nigh-omnipotent Evil Overlord secretly ruling over a cowed populace, and how villains such as his Aloof Big Brother Jacob and/or Evil Counterpart Celesto are actually members or leaders of La Résistance.
    • Also, the chaos eyeball that Dominic recently scryed on isn't an evil demon beast intent on destroying everything, he's a cute little monster who just wants hugs.
    • The ACI for Dominic Deegan is whether or not he's as pious as the writer makes him out to be or the ultimate manipulative Jerkass. It's the idea the entire Hatedom is built upon. Of course, Luna shares the spotlight. Is she a victim slowly overcoming years of emotional torture at the hands of a scheming mother and evil sisters or an incurable psychopath who'll murder anyone who makes her feel bad about herself?
    • Then there's the tone of the comic overall. Is it a chronicle of events that can be taken at face value and seen as a legitimate work of fantasy or does it shift between a gritty tone and a more cartoon-y feel for the sake of entertainment? Which side you prefer tends to automatically place you on one side the comic's very large love-hate war.
    • Something from the snarkdom: The Orcs: Noble Savages unjustly and excessively persecuted by the Callanians, or a bunch of vicious barbarians that are not undeserving of the derision and hatred they receive as large portions of their species really do engage in casual brutality and worse. Or a race as diverse as any other, with both its heroes and monsters, just like the Callanians, but unfortunately the writing doesn't do a good job of presenting it.
      • Or some combination of the two, e.g. the Orc culture is as validly a culture as any other but the conflicts with Callan are legitimately not reconcilable by non-violent means. It's not hard to imagine the Orcs finding the human political organization, with its absence of family-based tribes and roaming lawkeepers capable of unilaterally handing out death penalties, to be just as abhorrent as humanity finds the idea of automatically murdering anyone that looks sideways at your land and legalized marital rape, without either side being necessarily "wrong". All we know from the comic is how Dominic an Luna feel about the situation, but they're plot-armored on top of both being from wealthy families with political power that makes them immune from all of the downsides of either culture, so there's not really any reason to take their perspective as either definitively right or wrong. They're extremely disconnected from the issue, since they don't even actually know anyone who willingly participates in either of the cultures in conflict (they have zero commoner friends among the humans and Dominic personally, viscerally _hates_ commoners, and their two long-standing orc friends are expatriates with a huge bone to pick with their native culture).
    • Was Milov's praising of Nimmel a blatant shill, or a sign that Nimmel has successfully pulled the wool over Milov. A third interpretation that came up occasionally was that Milov did not sincerely believe what he said to Nimmel, but was either laying it on thick to make the outsider in their culture feel welcomed or letting his "opinion" become known to use Nimmel to shame the rowdy Jerkass younger werewolves into upholding their cultural ideals. Part of which seems more likely depends on if you feel that Nimmel clearly feels he's better than werewolves or if his own internal monologue in which he calls the brawlers "emotion-crazed beast-people" was simply him being bitter about their culture during a moment of anger that had been building up for the entire time he'd been living in the Winter Archipelago.
    • Some of it can be quite disturbing as can be seen here.
  • Angst? What Angst?: Luna's rather philosophical reaction after finding out she's been rendered sterile via Maltak's restoration. She mentions she's just not thinking about it to not spoil the good things that happened, but later it hits her hard.
  • Anti-Climax Boss:
    • Neilen looked as though he was going to be the real Big Bad of the Maltak arc, but then he vanished from the story for a few months. Cut towards the end where he comes out of nowhere to stop the heroes ... and promptly gets his ass handed to him horribly. TWICE.
    • The Beast from beyond the planes of reality (or at least the parts of it that we've seen) is a lot less scary now that its been defeated TWICE, first by Dom creating a teddy bear in the Plane on Destruction and planting it on ole Beasty (creation is a big no-no there), and then when it ran away after Dom disguised himself as the "crab cop" that attacked it in the Plane of Destruction. It's become a lot more threatening and dangerous as the comic gears up for its Grand Finale, however.
    • The Big Bad ain't doing so well either: he created The Beast but calls it Master so he can use its power, he's way too fond of his Worthy Opponent Miranda, he doesn't kill Dom when the beast has its tentacles inside his brain, and his personal army has been revealed to be incredibly fragile.
  • Arc Fatigue: The Maltak arc, which took just over a year from start to finish. It got to the point that the forums started a small scale meme replacing "Are They Still On Namek" (as that trope had once been named) with "Are They Still In Maltak".
  • Ass Pull:
    • To many, Siegfried's murderous racism just came out of nowhere. The argument goes that he would have treated Luna a whole lot worse if he were as racist as he was depicted later on in the comic. It can be argued that it was implied earlier in a not very obvious way, such as Siggy being repulsed by Luna's tusks because they make her look like an orc. Also, he's pronounced the word "orc" in bold and used it as an insult even before the racism was ramped up to much more obvious levels. Of course, that sort of thing is commonplace in the general population of Callan.
    • The out-of-nowhere reveal that Donovon Deegan's sword is actually a super-powerful magic sword.
  • Badass Decay: Jacob, who went from destroying five members of a death cult highhandedly, to having his arse kicked by Huk Thak, The Shintula Chief, and Neilen, all fights were essentially ended with one move. Reversed, however, when he reappears to defend Jayden at Aberthast Cathedral. Justified in that after the fight with the cult, he was significantly weakened by Rillian.
  • Creator's Pet:
    • Milov has no problem telling us how great Nimmel is. From his point of view, it's all true, but one wonders what Milov would say if he knew Nimmel's real reasons for coming to Coldfire.
    • Luna danced around with this for a while. After Maltak, her Pet status has pretty much been cemented in the fandom, largely due to her being little more than a MacGuffin during the arc and taking the credit despite mainly being led by the hand by The Powers That Be.
  • Designated Hero:
    • Dominic has some, ah, interesting methods at his disposal. And for that matter, some rather dubious motives at times.
    • All of Luna's contributions to the salvation of Maltak were accidental, as she was manipulated by higher powers the entire time. That doesn't stop her from taking the credit.
    • Nimmel reveals that one of the reasons he transferred over to Coldfire Academy was because of the ego boost he could get by knowing he had the ability to beat up all the werewolves because the spells he specializes in are stronger there.
  • Draco in Leather Pants:
    • Lord Siegfried "Siggy" Damaske.
    • Evil Is Cool and a limited amount of Evil Is Sexy are in effect with Jacob, who is one of the most popular characters. It helps that he is redeemed later in the comic.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
    • Vilrath, despite technically never appearing in the comic, enjoys quite a fan following, as does Caylen Bren.
    • Jacob Deegan, particularly from his first appearance, which is considered a highlight.
    • They're also developing a fondness for Pamela Chayner, for being sensible and level headed.
    • Donovan Deegan is by far the most popular member of the Deegan family, despite being the least prominent.
    • Dirk the Mighty.
    • Mookie seems to have his own Ensemble Darkhorse in Bort the Mongrelman.
    • Punchy McStonefist, the dwarf who punched Dominic in the nuts, is this for the Snarkdom in spades.
  • Evil Is Sexy: Many lowcut bustiers and skintight outfits for the female villains in particular, but men get their share as well. Most notable in Amelia Travoria, Helixa, and briefly, Jayden.
  • Fan Hater: To the extreme. John Solomon's line was that anyone who would defend Dominic Deegan was a morally bankrupt retard and so their arguments were automatically invalidated. Snarkers are more "tolerant", only describing fans as rather dull and a tad creepy. (John Solomon -> King Solomon -> King David -> King David Johann?)
  • Faux Symbolism:
    • In (real-life) December, an important event is heralded across the land by the appearance of a brilliant star. No, it's not the messiah's birth, it's Dom and Luna's marriage.
    • Also, Karnak (the name of the Lord of Hell) is the Orcish word for "The Morning Star".
  • Genius Bonus:
  • Hollywood Homely: Aside from the tusks, Luna is really not a bad-looking girl, as far as you can tell. Siegfried specifically found her quite attractive when her mouth was covered by a veil. When the tusks are visible, everyone acts as though she's thoroughly hideous. Most of those who find her ugly are portrayed as prejudiced or evil in other ways as well, such as the idiot villagers who were also unkind to then-crippled Greg, the fantastically racist Lord Siegfried, or her poor excuse for a family who spent a good chunk of time off screen attempting to drive her specifically to suicide.
  • Ho Yay: From the moment Stunt and Bumper were first introduced fans everywhere got gay vibes from them.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Rillian's demeanor really rubs Dominic the wrong way, but Dominic comes to sympathize with the loss and tiredness that has characterized Rilian's life. The audience gets it even more when we realize the fat, jolly man he pretended to be while checking in on Dominic was his original persona; his long, long life has beaten him down so much he is no longer recognizable in form or personality.
  • Jumping the Shark: Those who say it has are divided over the exact point, citing a specific story arc or even a specific comic strip that they found to be the shark jumping moment.
  • Like You Would Really Do It:
    • Due to Word of God, this now extends to pretty much every important character.
    • For a specific example, Luna's dying. Yeah, right.
    • And lo and behold, she's alive, while technically dead for a few strips, everyone predicted she'd be brought back.
  • Lowest Common Denominator: Mocked in one strip's author comments, when the first (in the comic's six year history) instances of dick and fart jokes, done by the title character. It Makes Sense in Context, as Dominic was in a Battle in the Center of the Mind with a virus-spell that was taking swings at his mind and screwing up his bodily functions.
  • Memetic Badass:
    • Scarf, Dominic's scarf.
    • Also Warlord Mustache, who, after killing almost all the orcs, went into the Nakta. Then he killed the Nakta and assumed its place, devouring the souls of all orcs ever, and using the fuel this gave him to kill more orcs. As a final insult, he led a group of piggart-loving Callanians around on a pointless sidequest for weeks, then tricked them into letting him steal all the orcs' powers and use them to turn all the orc souls into fertilizer. Then he did it all again, and laughed about it.
    • During the search for Celesto arc, some of the Playground snarkers reimagined Gerald as a stoic, hard-drinking Cowboy Cop Badass working with Quilt who could have solved the case in minutes if Luna had let him. Like Scarf, he comes and goes from this.
    • Punchy McStonefist.
  • Memetic Molester: Stonewater's rape backstory led some to say that he will "save" you, too.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • "Curse you Runcible Spoon!"
    • "My landmass erupts with kittens."
    • "Jayden is the worst priestess ever."
    • "Death is not zombies."
    • Among some anti-fans, Dominic Deegan is referred to as "Lord Dominus," an amoral overlord who uses his second sight to control all of his friends and loved ones.
    • The last panel from the infamous "Orc-rape" comic has gotten widely known as "Jazzhands!"
      • The panel is also frequently edited into other comics for Black Comedy.
  • Narm
    • A woman's misplaced hatred caused her to attempt to kill several people by slowly freezing them to death. She is thwarted by the protagonist's brother, who channels his magic into becoming SuperGreg, modeled on his comic book hero SuperMage, himself a Captain Ersatz for Superman. The Mood Whiplash never settled.
    • Also noteworthy is this much parodied strip. Spoilers in that strip! Be warned!
    • Mookie's topped himself.
      "You slept with...? Wait! That's it!"
    • Jacob's revelation that "Death is not zombies" could have been worded better.
    • When Cthulhu-TIM and Celesto were tearing up Lynn's Brook for some time, there's a scene where Dex and his ex-wife are desperately cowering behind a piece of rubble as people all around them are getting slaughtered. It would have been a much more emotionally powerful scene if the people getting slaughtered looked more like they were desperately running for cover and less like they were out for a casual morning stroll.
  • Never Live It Down:
    • Stonewater does have a character beyond "raped Melna once", and he didn't enter the situation willingly. To hear the Fan Dumb tell it, he's Doctor Light, only an orc.
    • Bashers will never let the Supergreg storyline go.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
  • Nightmare Retardant: One word: Pissfartpuke. Szark finds it terrifying. The reader, especially given the context? Not so much.
  • Rooting for the Empire:
    • A lot of readers root for the bad guys due to Dominic and Luna doing some very questionable things while becoming more and more insufferably Sue-ish. Besides, Celesto Morgan is cooler.
    • Some persons find Warlord Mustache to be completely awesome for trying to exterminate the Orcs, due to a widely-held disbelief of the official line that the Orcs are really Noble Savages who only live in murderous barbarism because of Mustache.
  • The Scrappy: Fans didn't like Gregory very much when his white magic seemed too powerful, but things got worse when Greg started a band and ceased to listen much to what others have to say.
  • Snark Bait: This trope is so prevalent in regards to the comic, sometimes you have to wonder if most of the fanbase is just reading it to make fun of it. Just take a look. Discounting the current thread, there are 1294 pages, averaging slightly less than 30 posts a page. Most of the major forums are now dominated by people who are in it just for the snark.
  • Squick:
    • Jacob's mentioning of how his body still "aches for mortal wants" while cradling the chin of a female corpse with his skeletal arm.
    • Mookie's decision to draw a thong clad ass shot of Rachel while she was dying because her blood had been turned into ice invoked this in some readers.
    • Mongrelfolk medical practice seems to involve a lot of regurgitation. Stunt's reaction? "How is that helping?!"
  • Strawman Has a Point: It's hard to argue against the racists who feel that orcs are savage and violent when so many orcs are savage and violent.
  • Tear Jerker:
    • Bumper's death and its aftermath.
    • The deaths of the archmagi, particularly Alduraithel, mourning the fact he had to kill his possessed translator Snert just before Nimmel destroys him, and Masutel, reduced to a tiny fraction of his strength within the vast darkness of his mind, begging Miranda ("little mage") to kill him, which she does in a completely dark panel during a Moment of Silence.
    • Dominic's reaction when Rilian tells him that Quilt is dead. Even the Prophet Luana herself takes a moment to hold him in her arms so he can cry.
    • Dominic losing his Second Sight forever.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Siggy, Siggy, Siggy.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • Two in fact. By going with the much safer option of killing Siggy instead of Luna, Mookie wasted two potentially interesting storylines. Namely Dominic coping after losing his love and a redemption arc for Siggy.
    • Dominic losing his leg. Aside from a couple of cheap gags and one or two mentions later on, our hero deals with this life changing injury like he'd just got a splinter or something!
  • True Art: Greg's music is very complex and creative; unfortunately his hastily-assembled band can't keep up with him and after he dumbs it down it sounds awful and they fire him ("I changed all my music for you guys! It was the only way you could keep up with it! If anything you brought my music down!").
  • True Art Is Angsty: Defied by Word of God; he had considered killing off Luna for real at the end of the Maltak arc for a "powerful ending", then changed his mind because it would have destroyed Dominic and he was experiencing that same sort of loss with his grandfather and that wasn't the sort of thing he wanted to write about at the time. The accompanying newspost for the strip where she comes back to life included him saying he doesn't believe the bravery or quality of a writer is measured by his "main character body count."
  • Unfortunate Implications: This strip originally had in the second panel Elanora saying, "They'll actually take on the genetics of the recipient. It will truly be their child." After it went up, Mookie realized how it could be taken the wrong way, and promptly changed it to what's up there now.
    • The reveal that Dominics family is one of, if not THE most wealthy and politically powerful families in Callan puts a new and unfortunate spin on the fact that any strip where Dominic is the focus character casts all commoners as thieves, idiots, and brutes, or at best completely insane. It's then highlighted by the fact that somehow around Gregory, commoner characters tend to be sensible, hardworking folk as worthy of respect and support as petty and hereditary nobility. Even Dominic's "one black friend" orcish friends are both members of their equivalent of the noble caste, whereas his brother and father are more universally respected.
      • This selective disdain is at the root of a lot of the alternate character interpretation.
    • Luna's tendency to scare people with illusions at the drop of a hat is significantly less funny when you realize why the magic-less underclass of Callan has to take any such threat seriously: they have zero protection under the law should a mage decide to actually murder them in public for no reason. Celesto actually does it, and the only person that takes any action against him is Dominic... and only because it's disrupting his own plans.
  • Unintentionally Sympathetic:
    • Neilen, at least until his and Runcible Spoon's backstories are revealed. See Unintentionally Unsympathetic for details.
    • Siggy could be the poster child for this. By the time he is killed, the readers are meant to hate him or at the very least be glad it was him rather than Luna that got the axe. The fact that he was always seen as an interesting, tragic character while his murderous racism was considered a complete Ass Pull is what did this.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
    • Melna. Her past shows that she's a rape victim with a tragic history but her violent personality and constant acts of Disproportionate Retribution towards male characters has left considerable portions of the comic's audience calling for her blood. It doesn't help that the last character to be shown in this exactly light was Siggy, and unlike her he was frequently called out on his actions. Not to mention being turned into a demonic slave.
    • Runcible Spoon due to Mookie bungling his and Neilen's introductions. We're meant to like and feel bad for Spoon and hate Neilen because he ruined Spoon's marriage by making his wife think he was cheating on her. Easy, right? Wrong. For a long time, the audience is never told what Neilen did beyond some very vague hinting which makes Spoon's constant picking on him quite grating. Especially since Neilen never seems to be able to defend himself bar yelling insults at Spoon after he hits him in the head with rocks. It really doesn't help that Neilen is introduced as one of the very few people to be kind to Luna and not shun her because of her tusks. Sure he's just doing it because he wants to sleep with her, which we find out later along with both his and Spoon's shared backstory. But by then it's often too little too late and Spoon was never as popular as he could have been because of it.
    • Stonewater to a ridiculous extent. See Never Live It Down.
  • Villain Decay:
    • Jacob Deegan went from being one of the most insanely powerful people in the comic to being easily defeated by Chief Thuen Gor.
    • It bears mentioning that Jacob was forcibly depowered by Rilian earlier in the series, and that it's mentioned that Thuen Gor, and the rest of the Shintula, were stronger than they ever were because of the state of Maltak, so there's an in-story reason for it.
  • Wangst: Luna toward the beginning of the comic—getting over it is her major Character Development arc. Snowsong also falls into this.
  • Writer Revolt: Siegfried's development and involvement in The War in Hell and Shadow of Siegfried arcs. Mookie reportedly ramped up just how bad Siegfried was after he learned that people wanted him to kill off Luna instead.
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