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This is a "Wild Mass Guess" entry, where we pull out all the sanity stops on theorizing. The regular entry on this topic is elsewhere. Please see this programme note.
UQ Holder
UQ Holder's WMG page. The home to many crazy theories to come as the manga develops.


Touta's parents were not his true parents Or they overused Time-manipulating Training Rooms
The dates and ages provided, do not add up. Touta's mother was born in 2050 and his father in 2040. Given that they died in 2064 that would make them 14 and 24 respectively at the time of their death. Therefore they either were not his real parents and only cared for him or made Extensive use of those Time-Manipulating Training Rooms Eva used to train Negi.
  • Update: Turns out the date of death on the Tombstone was 2084 rather than 2064.

Touta's parents did not die in a car accident
It is too similar to the fake story of the death of Harry Potter's parents! Also the fact that Touta has no memories of them - but they can have been sealed.
  • Yes: it is another Harry Potter reference after the reference of the begin of Negima.

Shinobu Yuuki and Touta eventually have a child, and that child is Chao from Negima.
Look. Tell me that doesn't look like Chao. And, assuming Negi is in fact Touta's grandfather, Chao is the great-granddaughter of Negi. As Corollary to this, I also believe that Shinobu is the child of Fate/Tertium, or, more likely, grandchild.

Touta is not actually related to Negi
When Touta visits the graves of his parents, he refers to Negi as "Ji-chan," which does not always necessarily mean "Grandfather." In the first chapter of Negima, Negi himself calls the Headmaster of his magic class the same thing, which led to speculation that the Headmaster was actually his grandfather, which he is not.
  • Pretty well Jossed by Chapter 24, Touta's Magia Erebea is strongly implied to be inherited from Negi.

Touta inherited Magic Cancel from somewhere.
He's incompatible with the magical apps in the first chapter, and he could have easily inherited the magic either through Negi (it's a royal ability, and Negi's an Ostian prince) or through Asuna (we know nothing about Touta's other grandparents after all). On a meta level, it would also be a nice contrast with Negi to have a protagonist who uses Anti-Magic rather than being an ubermage.

Negi isn't actually dead
Given that Negi was supposedly immortal at the end of Negima (though not invulnerable), it's entirely possible that he's still around, but faked his death for some reason. Part of Eva's motivation may be to track him down.
  • Given that we get a brief shot of a janitor that has a striking resemblance to 30-something Negi...
    • That might be his Grandson though, Negi and Nagi look very similar to each other as well.

In the end, it's Yotsuba
who becames Negi's spouse She's arguably the nicest girl from all girls in 3-A, and the ones who didn't act all-crazy in chasing him. Naturally, this will attract him. Give her a couple of years and then.... On the same note, it was noted that Touta is a good cook, as well as Chao. Surely, all that skills has to come out from somewhere....

Touta is related to Takamichi
Takamchi's thing was that he couldn't incant spells, leading him to learning the Muon-ken and the Kanka-Hou, techniques that require power but don't require incantations. Touta also cannot incant spells. Maybe this is a hereditary disability, and it was passed down.

Touta will learn Shinmeiryu
His surname is Konoe and he's a dab hand with a sword. 2 + 2 = ...

Touta's friends from the first chapter will be the adult male characters in the character spread
The theme of the manga is supposedly immortality. Touta is now immortal. Is it really weird to think that there might be a timeskip, Touta looks the same, and his friends have grown older?
  • I certainly agrees, but I think the Fate/Nagi master looking one will be revealed immortal. Why didn't he say anything well, "Nobody ever asked"
  • Well, in chapter two Touta keeps mentioning a mechanic friend. Could be the guy with a robot-arm.
  • Touta met Robot and Glasses Guy in chapter 7 already. All the characters in the colour spread also made a short appearance in chapter 6, when Yukihime recited the different types of immortality.

Shiraishi is Fate
Shiraishi's name, 白石, literally translates to "White Stone." Fate is the Averruncus of Earth, and has white hair.

UQ Holder's setting is Mars.

Clue Evangeline is said to come from the top of the tower, orbital elevator. Another we see the Orbital Elevator of New Tokyo and there is no World Tree in sight.

According to Mana's epilogue Mars would be embroiled in a war for independence. UQ Holder being more Shounen genre and darker could takcle this war.
  • Unlikely, since it's mentioned to be in Japan. Also they actually show a map of Japan several times in chapter 3.

UQ Holder Timeline is the timeline where Asuna never went back in time.

In the True Ending of Negima Timeline C as illustrated by Chao magic was disclosed a few years later. As a consequence magic crime increased after two years of disclosure. Which Negi and his Ministra had to handle.

In the UQ Holder timeline or Timeline B magic was only disclosed 10 years earlier. The current year being 2086. Normal people can use Magic Apps for magic but each slot cost half a million Yen. As Evangeline aka Yukihime said as it gets cheaper the chances of magic crimes also increases.

The factor for these changes is Asuna's presence. If she goes back in time when she left Mahora with her position as princess of Ostia she can politically push for a disclosure of the existence of magic.

If Asuna didn't return magic disclosure would be delayed for 70 years due to the problems to Negi's plan of integrating Old World Earth and Magic World societies.

This problem resulted to the Mars independence war in both timelines. Which Mana participated.

  • One potential problem for this is Evangeline of Timeline B. This WMG depends on Evangeline having a character arc where she'd be willing to return to her normal form (to travel to Timeline C), leave behind UQ Holder (admittedly again but in a more permanent way) and basically be upbeat/unchanged in personality. The last issue is the biggest at it means Yuki!Evangline's character arc is from what she was to Yuki to whatever happens to Yuki and back to how she was at the end of Negime. Then again, Timeline-B!Evangeline planned on timeline hopping in hopes of finding a spare Nagi. Then there is the problem of Timeline-C!Asuna still sleeping and what happens when she wakes up. We might even be looking at a Timeline-D here where TL-C!Asuna goes back to TL-D and warned of the magic crimes. Thus resulting in magic being made public being postponed.

A dead member of 3-A will make an appearance
The only question of course is whether or not it's Sayo...

Eva did kill Touta's parents
  • Possibly inferred from a part of her introductory speech in the first chapter: "You'll grow tired of the things you loved. Devotion and attachment become impossible. You'll rapidly forget just about everything." If this holds true then, during that flashback in the same chapter, she may have possibly gone back to her Dark Evangel days, but nonetheless held back on killing Touta out of mercy.
    • Add the fact that there were people after her for an undisclosed bounty.

Kuromaru is possibly Setsuna's descendant.
Having the same hairstyle and same swordsmanship as Setsuna counts. And apparently this might translate into a case of Ho Yay if ever he ends up joining Touta, just like the relationship between her and Touta's (presumed) ancestor, Konoka.
  • It's pretty clear at the end of Negima that Konoka and Setsuna got married... and if Kuromaru was related to Konoka, he'd probably recognize the family name. It's more likely that somebody unrelated from the school ended up moving somewhere else and that person was Kuromaru's teacher/parental figure.
  • However, the fact about Negi and Konoka ending up together remains heavily jossed since the story's setting was about 80 years after the events of Negima!. Refer to the YMMV Page for details.

Kuromaru is from the same Crow Race (Uzoku) clan as Setsuna.
Kuromaru as in Crow as the pun on his/her name. From what we know of Setsuna she was ostracized by her clan for being a half-human hybrid and her wings are white instead of black. White wings to Setsuna's clan are bad luck. Eva implies Setsuna dyes her hair and it is naturally white.

Uzoku are described to have beaks and white hair. Well Kuromaru's clan has bird masks and they have white hair.

Much like Setsuna Kuromaru is being ostracized by the clan for being an oddity. In Kuromaru's case he/she is an immortal.

Which why Kuromaru's brother sent him/her on an impossible mission so Kuromaru will die. Hoping Evangeline will kill Kuromaru and rid of a person that the clan prejudiced against.

Jossed: Kuromaru is from the Yatagarasu tribe, not the tengu, and thus does not have albinism like setsuna.

Kuromaru is actually a girl.
Let's face it, there's a proverbial million and one ways Akamatsu could've written Kuromaru's introduction without making all his readers suspect as much. In fact, he's even expecting us to think this, meaning the eventual Reveal will be about something more than just this.
  • Confirmed. Sorta. Karin reveals that yes, Kuromaru's body is indeed that of a girl. (S)He still vehemently insists on being referred to as male, however.
    • he has a female body but that isn't the same thing as being a girl. so confirmed or jossed depending on how you look at it.
      • Chapter 16 clarifies that Kuroumaru's body lacks any sex traits. Kuroumaru's tribe (the Yatagarasu tribe) have sexless bodies until they reach 16, when they either choose a sex and become that one from that point onward, or their body naturally transitions into one should they not decide. Presumably, Karin just saw that Kuroumaru didn't have a penis, and so immediately thought girl.

Kuromaru is related to Touta
Shinmeiryu has ties to the Konoe family, after all, and the most prominent non-Konoe non-Aoyama practitioner we have, Setsuna, was highly suggested to have married Konoka, the Konoe main character from Negima- and magic means they might have found a way to reproduce without a male involved.
  • My only problem with this is that Kuromaru would most likely recognize the name "Konoe" if that was the case.

Eva sealed or erased Touta's memories

Evangeline in UQ Holder has a parallel with Takamichi Takahata of taking care of a VIP with amnesia. If indeed Touta is Negi's descendant then he is by blood a prince of the Ostia monarchy like Asuna. Touta is also of the prestigious Konoe family who are one of the five families of the Fujiwara clan of Japan, where the brides of Japan's emperor comes from. So she may have done that in order to protect him and to let him have a normal life.

Living members of class 3-A:

  • Ayaka lived to be 115 in Negima's Asuna-less timeline, so she might possibly be alive.
  • Asuna had the body of a teenager but we know she was a lot older, so she may still be alive.
  • Mana was part demon so she may be able to live a long time. AND there was a mention of an independence war on Mars where she participated in.
  • Sayo is a ghost so she may still be "alive".
  • Chachamaru is a robot so she may be alive.
  • Zazie is a full demon and it was mentioned in Negima's "where are they now?" ending that her story was for another time so she is most likely alive and will likely make an appearance in the series.

Touta is descended from Kotaro and Natsumi

Just look at that face and tell me he doesn't look like Kotaro.
  • Then wouldn't he be part dog demon
    • Seeing as he'd only be 1/8th demon, I don't think any traits would manifest.

Touta will eventually forced to use Age-Deceiving Pill to conceal the fact that he stopped aging

Claim that you're late bloomer probably won't work very long, so he might resort to Age-Pill sooner or later.

In chapter 6, Evangeline's age pill effect will worn off after she is stripped of her towel.

Jossed. At the start of chapter six, Evangeline is still shown with her "Yukihime" body after Touta strips the towel off of her.

Kuroumaru is a FTM Transsexual

The suspicion being raised is enough to present the possibility, at least, that Kuroumaru is a biological woman who feels that he should be a man. According to Karin, Kuro is indeed biologically female, but continues to identify as male nonetheless. It could just be a Gender Bender, though, so we can't call it confirmed yet.
  • Again, mostly Jossed. Kuromaru has the body of a girl.
    • transgender is still transgender even if the person doesn't try to change their body to match their gender. his regeneration would probably prevent him from changing his body without magic (and most magical changes would probably be healed as well) so he is probably stuck in a female body unless he finds a Gender Bender spell (assuming his current situation isn't caused by one which would mean he would have to find another one.) this is as far away from Jossed as you can get without being officially confirmed. Kuromaru is a male in a female body the only question is if he was always that way or if his body was changed.
      • Jossed by Chapter 16. Kuromaru is a hermaphrodite. Specifically from a group of demi-humans who don't finalise their gender until they're sixteen.
      • Kuroumaru is sexless, not a hermaphrodite (Kuroumaru has a body lacking sex traits, not one bearing both male and female ones).
      • the end result is still that he is not physically male but wants to be, but the situation is different enough for this exact WMG to be jossed. (no one could have guessed the actual situation. so, FTM Transsexual was probably the closest thing to his situation we could have guessed )
Eva is wearing a swimsuit
As of chapter 5, she tasked Touta with fighting her with the promise that, if he could rip off her towel, he would see her naked. The chapter ended as soon as he managed this. What if Akamatsu is screwing with us, and she has a swimsuit on?
  • Jossed. She was completely naked under the towel.

There will be a user of Magia Erebea later on
With all these immortals around, why not?
  • later on? the series has had one from the beginning. Eva is not only a Magia Erebea user, she created the technique.
    • Eva stopped using it once she had no need for it (as in she grew strong enough, after surviving for centuries, until she could be independent of its boosts). We all also know that she created it. No one likes a smart aleck.
  • Confirmed, Touta somehow activated it in chapter 21
Eva has gotten weaker
Kuroumaru and Touta noted that Yukihime seems strong, but not top-of-the-world strong. Kuroumaru's clan claimed that Eva is a shadow of her former self. With that logic, they sent Kuromaru for his task, claiming that if he couldn't kill her while she was in such a state, he had no home to return to. Eva did not mention herself when she was talking about the strength of Karin's immortality as well as Touta's immortality, even though Touta is considered part of her "kin."
  • it could just be that she hasn't done any of the really big spells in a few decades and needs a bit of practice to get back to her previous level of power. not mentioning the strength of her own immortality is odd but it could just be that there was no need to explain it after explaining Touta's since they are the same. that or the next WMG is right.
  • Seemingly confirmed in chapter 30.
Yukihime is not really Eva
She can be a projection (she is able to do it), a puppet (idem) or a very advanced android imbued with a part of the soul and of the power of the real Evangeline (Magic and Magitek; her present personality appears have some sides similars to Chachamaru, too). This will be the Reveal at a certain point.
  • I like the idea that Yukihime is really Chachamaru mimicking Evangeline's powers (with a human-like body, able to bleed, to explain facts of the first chapter). The real Evangeline appears sometimes to preserve the Masquerade.
    • The body has to be more shinsoid than humanoid: it would have to contain a part of the blood of Evangeline, or a clone with the mind of Chachamaru taking the identity of Eva taking the identity of Yukihime. It would be a sophisticated maneuver.
    • Or the body is not really a clone; the transformation in shinso is induced by magic, so the "blood" could be a magic potion. It can be a magic android, really.

Kuroumaru's immortality has some sort of limitation
Whereas Touta can only regrow limbs that are completely destroyed, Kuroumaru has a super regenerative ability that allows him to regrow limbs once they are merely detached from his body. That makes it sound like Kuroumaru's immorality has only benefits over that of Touta's. However, Eva explicitly stated that if mankind goes extinct, Karin and Touta would be the only ones alive at that point. So maybe Kuroumaru's immortality doesn't prevent aging, or he can't regenerate his head if it's cut off, or the speed of his regeneration slows down with overuse, or something.

Mikan is the granddaughter of Misora
Just getting it out there now.

UQ Holder takes place in Negima's original timeline
Not the one at the beginning of the story, but the one that Chao comes from. Take a look at the shots of class 3-A, Chao doesn't appear at all. It's also the only timeline where magic would have been revealed as late as it was.

Touta is a Decoy Protagonist or the manga will soon undergo a major Plot/Genre/Difficulty change
I mean really, Akamatsu is a reasonably intelligent manga writer who has multiple successful series under his belt, so suddenly increasing Touta's skill and power to the level that Negi didn't achieve until most of the way through his series doesn't make sense, unless he's planning on changing something major that requires Touta to be overpowered early on, or he's planning to increase the general power level of all future opponents, making this training necessary simply for Touta not to die instantly.
  • Since when is Touta's current skill and power at the level similar to that of endgame Negi's? Sure, Touta has good battle instincts, but he was OHK Od by Kaito. He has a lot of power, but he can't make proper use of it since he can't even do proper instant movement (as of this time of writing) yet.

Kuromaru will become a boy but still wind up romantically involved with Touta
It wouldn't be above Akamatsu to put in some Ho Yay, it's not like Fate shied away from it with Negi, and Setsuna and Konoka had it going all over the place, besides, it'd be a nice change of pace.

Touta has inherited the Magia Erebea
When Touta awakens from the cross-binding spell, his arms are covered in a shadowy black magic that resemble Negi's demonic forms arms when he was overtaken by the Magia Erebea completely. The blind assassin, when he sees Touta's arms, also makes a vague comment about "Magia", lending a small credence to this theory.
  • Confirmed.

Touta will make a "World of Cardboard" Speech similar yet different to the one that Tohno Shiki makes at some point.
After learning what immortality truly means at some point he will meet a villain/antagonist who wants to gain Immortallity. Touta will let loose a speech similar to the one Tohno makes but with immortality instead of death.
I'll show you. This is what it means to live forever.

Keitaro is a member of UQ Holder
In later chapters of Love Hina, they joked that he was immortal. What if it wasn't a joke?

Yukihime/Evangeline is going to continue the trend the "Ala Rubra Saga" started (courtesy of Rakan and Kurt), and tell an "Ala Alba Saga" to fill in the gaps from Negima.
When Touta gets back from the Slum job, she's got some explaining to do about what she did to him 2 years ago.

Fate is the client who ordered Strong Hand to capture Touta after his display of Magia Erebea
After Touta's battle with Nagumo Shion concluded, it pans out to one of the floating droids observing the match. It then shows that on other side of the droid, there's a man with white hair who is wearing a white suit as seen here

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