Ship To Ship Combat / Fire Emblem

Fire Emblem fandom is stuffed with this, especially the 4th and 7th installments. Then the 13th came in and blew them outta the water.

  • Word of advice to forum newbies? Do not, under any circumstances, bring up the subject of Roy and Lilina's mothers. Or Wolt's father. Heck, don't question or mention the parentage of any kid whose name isn't Klein, Clarine, Hugh, Igrene, Rei/Ray/Lleu/Raigh, Lugh, or Fir. You'll be sucked into a neverending stream of arguments and namecalling.
    • The FE6 discussion is insane. Rebecca was Wolt's canon mother, but the father had to be either Wil (Guy Next Door, Nice Guy), Lowen (fellow cook, Nice Guy too, saved Rebecca from bandits so she adores him ever since then) or Sain (Chivalrous Pervert) — and the kid resembled the three of them note  Lyn is the prime core of the battles, due to her 4 romantic options (or 5, if you're a Les Yay fan for Lyn/Florina): Kent (Bodyguard Crush), Eliwood (The protagonist), Hector (the bickering they have every other chapter in Hector Mode, along with their conversations in 29x/31x and the Hector's story endgame if they have an A support, in addition to Lilina having both Lyn's frontal bangs and the name "Lyn" in her name albeit with a different spelling), and Rath (due to the existence of Sue in FE6). Hector is also madness, with 3 wives: Florina (Bi the Way Shrinking Violet, really wants to thank him for saving her and might have a crush on him), Lyn (explained earlier), and Farina (Florina's middle sister, exclusive to Hector Mode, recruitable in chapter 25). Eliwood has 3 wives as well: Ninian (according to the Marcus/Lilina supports in FE6, a few slight hints in FE7's main story, and him saving her at one point in Lyn's story), Lyn (STILL explained earlier), and Fiora (several lords of Fire Emblem can be paired with Pegasus Knights or have Ship Tease with them, possible canon from the Marcus/Lilina supports in FE6 since they involve her homeland Ilia).
    • It gets especially heated (or hilarious, for some) if you ship Eliwood/Fiora and Hector with either Florina or Farina, specifically because it makes trying to ship Roy/Lilina a case of Kissing Cousins. Not that the Japanese fandom are as upset as the Western one, but it certainly makes things interesting for those who want Roy and/or Lilina with a different prospective Love Interest.
    • Plus, even Rei and Lugh could be argued, since their mother Nino has two potential husbands. There's enough in-game evidence to support Jaffar as Nino's canon love interest, but she can marry Erk if you get them to A support. And their supports are just as meaningful and sweet as the Nino/Jaffar ones, even without outside interaction. Oddly enough, though, this doesn't create as big of an argument as discussing the Lords' pairings does.
      • That might be because the wank fuel goes to the Erk/Priscilla vs. Erk/Serra ship wars instead. Priscilla? Stupid, bland, idiotic Purity Sue! Serra? Bitchy, mean, shallow Jerk Ass! You could go on for YEARS in regards to that one.
      • Actually, Jaffar and Nino is often bashed and falsely accused of being lolicon and creepy. Thing is: Jaffar's age has NEVER been brought up in-game, yet he looks to not be past early 20's... and Nino is 14, not 11 or 12. Pedophilia it ain't, people. Not to mention that anyone who bothers to do the math should know that Nino was 20 when she gave birth to the twins. Unsurprisingly, the major part of the Jaffar/Nino bashing comes from Erk/Nino rabidshippers who think 15-year-old Erk is inherently better than the older Jaffar due to his and Nino's similar ages, ignoring that Erk has his own issues as well.
  • Given that Genealogy of Holy War made shipping a game mechanic, we probably shouldn't be all that surprised. Never ever mention names like "Lewyn", "Raqesis", "Ira", "Sylvia" or "Tailto" unless you want to be thrown into a burning fire about who should go with who, the advantages of pairing one and another, etc.
  • Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones isn't without its share of pairing-based wank, specially in regards to Eirika. The Seth/Eirika and Innes/Eirika factions love to accuse each other's boys of being sexist and possessive of Eirika and wanting her only to Stay in the Kitchen, conveniently "overlooking" how protecting people is a very important part of Seth's WHOLE character and/or that Innes has his heart in the right place but his brains-to-mouth filter needs work. (Some Seth/Eirika fans are quite harsh towards Lyon as well, hating him for his weaknesses and flaws and declaring him "unfit" as a love interest for Eirika.) In the meantime: Saleh/Eirika supporters tend to be nice but some are passive-aggressive about how their ship is the superior one due to Eirika showing an interest in the spiritual in their supports, Lyon/Eirika fans are quite defensive since lotsa people use their interactions to bash Eirika and call her "weak", "stupid" and "anti-feminist", and Forde/Eirika fans... barely exist.
    • The Ephraim/Lyon fans tend to be quiet yet friendly in general. However, some of them seem to be very jumpy whenever they feel threatened. In particular, some of them seem to either deny or minimize Lyon's feelings for Eirika and Ephaim's Ship Tease with Tana, claiming that "Ephraim and Lyon are much more tender with each other than with women so they're interently better".
  • There have been more than a few terse words over who Ike might possibly end up with, though it tends to be divided between people who ship Ike/Soren, and those who deny that Ike could be anything other than 100% heterosexual. It's usually not TOO bad, unless someone happens to mention that Ike shows zero romantic/sexual interest in women and that Ike/Soren is very strongly hinted canon. Then things can get ugly. Oddly enough Ike/Ranulf gets a pass, probably because it's not nearly as popular and neither side has as much "evidence" for their case.
    • As of now, the biggest fight leaves Ike/Soren aside and get behind Ike/Elincia and Elincia/Geoffrey shippers. Some Ike/Elincia shippers are simply brutal to Geoffrey, and one of them brought up a massive wank when she wrote a fic in which Geoffrey burned museums and killed innocent people because Ike and Elincia were together. Not helped by her using mental illness as an "explanation" of Geoffrey's "issues".
  • Awakening marks the return of the Lover/Inheritance System from Genealogy... and the cannons immediately started firing. Tip: Don't mention "Nowi", "Tharja", "Olivia", "Cordelia" or "Sumia" in regards to pairings- unless you want to have your brain melted... violently. (Furthermore, don't mention Sumia's daughter Cynthia, The Avatar's child Morgan or Chrom's daughter Lucina in any given situation, or you'll cause an Internet Backdraft.)
    • One of the fiercest wars is between the fans who ship Chrom with the Female Avatar and the fans who ship him with Sumia, the two characters being the possible love interests for Chrom that are Ship Teased the most by the game. Chrom/F!Avatar fans criticize Sumia's clumsiness and insecurity and complain that her supports with Chrom revolve too much around her cooking for him and doing his laundry; Chrom/Sumia fans dismiss the Female Avatar as a Canon Sue and accuse her fans of self-projection, pointing to the extreme behavior of a small Vocal Minority in the fandom as justification. Both camps feel that the opposing pairing is "forced" by the game due to things like Sumia's appearance in the opening FMV as Chrom's (implied) wife and her having one of the fastest love growths with Chrom, or the plot as a whole apparently favoring the Chrom/Female Avatar ship even if she's married to someone else.note 
    • Chrom/Male Avatar fans can be pretty nasty about the female Avatar, bashing her because her and Chrom's supports fall flat compared to the male Avatar's. Or sometimes they'll insist Chrom/Male Avatar is the real canon and that Chrom's wife, whoever she is, is just The Beard.
    • Some Henry/Olivia fans tend to get very defensive against Henry's other prospect love interests and claim Olivia is the only one who truly loves and accepts him, completely handwaving possible problems coming from Henry's weird view of the world and Olivia's lack of social skills united to her shyness. Any reminders that Henry/Olivia isn't fixed canon and/or that she isn't the only love interest he's mentioned his Dark and Troubled Past to will be met by these rabidshippers with accusations of statwhoring, catty "you're just jealous of our ship's popularity" remarks, etc.
    • The Lon'qu/Lissa fans are starting to fit in here, specially due to their rabid insistence that it's the intended canon pairing for them despite how either can hook up with others if the player so desires. Some non-fans have even been bullied for merely saying they don't ship it. This created enough backlash that the non-shippers started to bash the pairing as "out of character" to make other pairings with the two characters look better. (Mainly Lon'qu/Maribelle.)
    • The view of Cordelia in fandom can be easily integrated into this. Some fans accuse her of being a Chrom-obsessed slut who would jump at the chance of being Chrom's "other woman" and, if married to another guy, cheat on her husband with him. Or, in the view of some Chrom/Sumia fans, capable of breaking off her years long friendship with Sumia out of spite over not being the one favored by Chrom. Some parts of the fandom seems to be hellbent over creating a fanon Love Triangle between Sumia and Cordelia over Chrom: either Sumia is a heartless and selfish bitch who totally steps over poor victim Cordelia's feelings and "steals" Chrom from her "stronger and thus more deserving" best friend, or Cordelia is a Chrom-obsessed slut who (as said above) would cruelly dump her sweet and devoted best friend if she ever dared attract Chrom's attention. And this despite the game going outta its way to avert the "Love Triangle" trope and remarking on how Cordelia and Sumia's friendship is pretty much unbreakable.
    • There's also the in-game possibility to have the Avatar marry any of the second generation characters. Some will say it's a valid option since the gameplay doesn't forbid it and the Avatar's son/daughter Morgan can benefit from it in stats and abilities, others insist that it's really squicky since the Avatar starts as a friend of the parent characters and thus becomes a Creepy Uncle / Aunt if s/he romances one of the kids of his/her True Companions. Both sides engage in massive online wars whenever they meet, especially vicious between Male!Avatar/Lucina and Gerome/Lucina shippers.
    • Even worse, do NOT try to decipher what Priam said about being "a descendant of Ike". The wording is vague already, but many fans started screaming in horror assuming it had to mean that Ike/Soren was automatically jossed, while smug anti-shippers clapped their hands in glee for the same reasons. Other members of the shipping faction point out that the series has already misused the term "descendant" before (regarding the Heroic Lineage of Falchion actually being descended from Anri's brother Marcellus since Anri himself was a Celibate Hero for very messy reasons), thereby setting a precedent that would allow for Priam to actually be descended from Ike's little sister Mist and whichever of her potential love interests you prefer and Ike/Soren to still be viable. On the other hand, Priam uses Ragnell, Ike's sword, and as Ike took Ragnell with him when he left Mist behind in order to go on adventures. So the whole issue is forever open to debate, and these debates can get messy.
    • In the Ho Yay fields, Gerome/Inigo is both the most popular and the most disliked same-sex pairing in the game. Its shippers bash the popular female love interests of both characters and accuse Inigo's female support options of being abusive toward him (and not just with Nah, the one instance where that's objectively true), while the anti-shippers accuse the pairing of being out of character and forcing both characters into a fetishized seme/uke dynamic.
    • Kjelle/Severa has a similar deal, being both popular and highly despised, the main difference being that its fans are usually less Die for Our Ship than Gerome/Inigo fans. It's the detractors who engage in combat, bringing up the pairing's negative points as ammo against people who enjoy it (mainly the Harvest Scramble convo which is...questionable but also claiming Severa is "too mean to Kjelle" in their supports) and loudly, angrily denouncing it as "trash" that they'll never stop attacking.
  • Fire Emblem Fates is the newest entry, but seeds of this trope started to be planted before its arrival to the West. And no, it did not get better when the game was released in the West:
    • Male Avatar/Azura is strongly teased to the point of her being his Implied Love Interest. While naturally their shippers wanted to celebrate their status as "implied canon", some of them took it a bit too far and got pushy, which annoyed some of the people who shipped the Male Avatar with other characters. Though, thankfully, Azura herself is still very well-liked.
    • Female Avatar doesn't have an Implied Love Interest, but that just means she has more potential shipping wars waiting in the wings. Her most popular options are Xander, Leo, Jakob, Silas and Takumi, and lately all of them have been getting dissed: Xander and Leo get bashed for straying too close to Brother-Sister Incest, Jakob gets bashed for being a Tsundere at best and a Jerkass at worst to anyone who isn't Female Avatar, Silas gets bashed for being "too loyal and boring", and Takumi is bashed for...pretty much any reason you can think of.
    • Some Female Avatar/Xander shippers have become hostile to Charlotte, due to her being Xander's most popular option in the fanbase, and taken to bashing her as just a Gold Digger, ignoring that she does have Hidden Depths and doesn't get with Xander for his money. Here's an example.
    • While shipping the Female Avatar and Rhajat was fairly popular in the Japanese fandom, the localization cranked up her creepy tendencies. Since Rhajat already was a Base-Breaking Character, a good part of the fandom RUSHED to bash both the character and the ship, sometimes ignoring almost anything else about her persona. As a result, the remaining fans tend to get quite defensive and react quite badly to the attacks from Rhajat haters.
    • Some Niles/Male!Avatar and Rhajat/Female!Avatar fans have resorted to downright Het Is Ew "defenses", claiming that any other ships "make them straight" and often referring to them as "gay" when they're actually bisexual. Naturally, the biphobic undertones of this "argument" have made other fans of both ships scream "Stop Helping Me!".
    • Some Leo and Camilla fans who ship them with people of the same sex passive-aggressively bash their S-Supports with the opposite gender, complaining that they sound "fake" and "rehearsed" so of course they work better with guys (Leo) or girls (Camilla), and implying in Leo's case that he might be lying or at very least artificially amping up his proposals. This seems to be based on exactly the same *homophobic* stereotypes pointed out above about Ephraim and Lyon: "he/she is not flawless with the opposite gender or seems closer to people of their same sex? GAY/LESBIAN!" note 
    • Fates also took the Brother-Sister Incest vibes already present in the other games and ran away with them, allowing the players to hook up their Avatars with their siblings in either Hoshido or Nohr if they want to. Naturally, this has sent some parts of the fandom into loud "EWWWWWW!"s whereas others have decided "meh, if the canon allows it, whatever and they're Not Blood Siblings anyway". Increasingly bloody "battles" ensue whenever both sides "meet" on the Internet.
    • Related to the above, the Male Avatar and Azura will end up Kissing Cousins if they marry. While the majority of their fans, and the fandom at large, doesn't really care, there is a segment of people who don't like the pairing that uses this to bash on the ship (though not the characters, unusually for this fanbase). Shippers usually fire back that first-cousin marriage is perfectly acceptable in the time period the game is set in, in Japan, where the game was made, and even in parts of America.
    • And, again, the Avatar has the option to marry a second generation character and have a child, Kana, with them. Cue a retread of the arguments for and against it from when Awakening came out.
    • Soleil/Ophelia was fairly popular early on, but somewhere along the line fans started taking offense to their supports, primarily the B rank where Ophelia casts a body-switching hex to convince Soleil to stop chasing her around all the time only for Soleil to fangirl the "cute body" she now inhabits, driving Ophelia to frustrated tears. This led to a huge outcry of hatred for the pairing, likening Soleil to a sexual predator while demanding the protection of poor Ophelia and getting angry at fans who still enjoyed the pairing and thought they were cute together.
    • Ryoma/Oboro is proof that even rare pairs can fall under this. A few of its shippers deride Takumi or the Oboro/Takumi pairing, painting Oboro's feelings for Takumi as "just a silly crush" that she should get over so she can enjoy Ryoma, who is So Much Better for her. The majority of fic about this pairing paints Takumi as dense at best or callous at worst when it comes to Oboro's feelings, and overall the shippers give off an air of insecurity and feeling threatened by Oboro's feelings for Takumi despite canon itself not treating them as an obstacle for her to get over; they can be requited if the player chooses, but only one of her other romantic support sets mentions her crush (and it makes sense that Hinata would say something, the two being as close as they are).
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