Who Watches the Watchmen?
Who watches the watchmen?
Who watches the watchmen?
is a popular translation of Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
, from the writings of Juvenal
, and which may be more literally translated as Who will guard the guards themselves?
. It was quoted as an epigraph in the Tower Commission Report into the Iran-Contra scandal and many, many, many other places.
This is about what happens when the police are in need of some policing. Perhaps there's a Serial Killer
preying on the cops. Maybe the civilians are turning on the police, allowing the criminals to win. Or perhaps the cops themselves have become the criminals
, and need to be brought back in line.
Note that it isn't specifically about police; any group with power and/or responsibility for the lives and well-being of others can qualify, as long as the story concerns the events and repercussions when this group needs the kind of oversight and attention they normally bring to others.
is a division within the main group whose specific purpose is indeed to watch the watchmen. A work with such a division may still bring in the trope if internal affairs itself becomes corrupt
and needs some investigation.
Ironically, the original quote concerned the problem of hiring guards to prevent your promiscuous wife from cheating on you
, with the implication that she would try to seduce or bribe the guards, or that the guards would do the same or worse to her.
See also One of Our Own
and Screw the Rules, I Make Them!
. Can lead to Super Registration Act
in superhero comics. A big reason why legislating Thoughtcrime
is a very bad idea.
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- Countdown to Final Crisis attempted this with Donna Troy saying "Who Monitors the Monitors?" It went over about as well as the rest of the comic. It was only two monitors who actually screwed up. The rest did absolutely nothing the entire time. Not only that, but as Linkara says, the term basically translates to "who looks at the people who look at stuff and don't do anything but look."
- Similarly, "Who judges the Judges" cropped up as graffiti throughout Judge Dredd's "America" storyline. The issue of who judges the Judges is a recurring theme in the comic, most particularly in "America"; meanwhile, the SJS has found itself in need of judgment in such stories as "The Day the Law Died!" and "The Pit".
- As its name suggests, this is a prominent theme in Watchmen - if superheroes really exist, who can police them? The phrase itself appears as graffiti throughout the comic, though is never seen in its entirety.
- This also explains popular support for Watchmen's law banning vigilante activity by superheroes.
- Including police frustration with the rapidly overgrowing costumed vigilante movement, which leads to cops striking in protest.
- A very similar question is posed in the title of one of the comics in Marvel's "What If..." series: What If No One Was Watching The Watcher?◊ In this case, though, it's meant more in the "people do funny things when they think nobody is looking" sense.
- The "Return of Hawkman" arc of JSA ends with a discussion of this trope.
: I can't help wondering if the world still has a place for heroes like us. The Flash
: More than ever, I'd say. The way I see it, we have a responsibility to the heroes that came after us, Carter. The people down there in the streets, the people that really matter, they look up to teams like the Titans
and the League
. But the Titans and the League — they look up to us. Sentinel
: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
Who watches the Watchmen.
- The live-action Thunderbirds movie used a variant of this as its tagline: "Who will rescue the rescuers?"
- Ivanova asks Bester "Who watches the watchmen" in the Babylon 5 episode which introduces the Psi-Cops. Over the course of the series, it becomes obvious that nobody watches the Psi-Cops. The Psi-Cops themselves are responsible for watching the Psi-Corps and enforcing the Earth Alliance's Mutant Draft Board on telepaths.
- In a Daily Show segment from June 2001, Jon Stewart highlighted a story about someone who created an edible wrapper for food items (such as sandwiches and other things one might typically order from a delicatessen) with Stewart having to point out that if a wrapper is supposed to protect food from dirt, bacteria, and germs, making it edible would mean having to wrap the wrapper.
- Invoked in the Firefly episode "War Stories": "Governments are made of men, usually notably ungoverned."
- An episode of Space: Above and Beyond, called Who Monitors The Birds? focused on an InVitro Marine going about on some special mission, while his childhood (such as it was; InVitros are born fully-grown) was explored via Flash Back. Every action they take during their training is supervised by a group of humans known as "Monitors", who monitor them for undesirable tendencies and traits. At one point, he asks of a Monitor: "Who monitors the birds?" and the monitor responded with "I monitor the birds." Then he asks "Who monitors you?" This question is taken as indication that he lacks the proper blind obedience to continue his training and should be euthanized. (He escapes, then later ends up in the Marines anyways by different means).
- Most factions (save the totalitarian Jovian Junta) in Eclipse Phase have embraced or at least accepted sousveillance, mesh-linked sensors are everywhere and if crime or abuse of power by officials occurs the video goes viral.
- Referenced in Knights of the Old Republic II in regards to the handmaidens supposedly policing jedi while serving directly under one.
- Thief: Deadly Shadows: The faction known as "The Keepers" has tasked themselves since before recorded history to keep balance in The City, yet they have very little internal policing and don't record their own history. This allowed one of their number to become an unchecked abomination, who became the Big Bad of that game. A note in the game even asks the question: "Who keeps the Keepers?"
- World of Warcraft gives a variant in the Cataclysm expansion. Garrosh Hellscream, the new Warchief, has made it well-known he will watch for any dissent in the Horde, leading to the common saying among Orcs that "Hellscream's eyes are upon us". At the same time, Vol'jin is watching Garrosh and will kill him when it is clear to all members of the Horde he is not fit to lead.
- In M.C.A. Hogarth's Kherishdar how does the Emperor make sure he himself doesn't abuse his own power? He assigns a casteless servant to the post of The Exception, whose job it is to tell him when his actions might be harmful to his people.
- In Top 10 Worst Cheaters in Sports, #7 is titled Who Refs the Refs. Referring to the incident of Referee of the NBA Tim Donaghy who was giving bad calls as he was betting on the matches.
- At the end of the second season of Justice League Unlimited, the Justice League was under suspicion of taking extremes in the interest of protecting the world. Superman finally recognized this, and in a public speech given after the defeat of Luthor and Brainiac, believed they were guilty of hubris and decided to disband the Justice League. Green Arrow interrupted him from the crowd and managed to talk him out of it, fulfilling the role Batman had designed for him when he cajoled Arrow into joining: keeping the League honest. After the speech, Batman and Green Arrow had this exchange:
Batman: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Green Arrow: "Who guards the guardians?" We got it covered.
- If anything this is one of the main reasons the Justice League has non-super super heroes to keep them in check.
- Cadmus tried to be this, pretty much be there if the Justice League ever crossed that line and used their powers to conquer instead of protect. However, in order to be ready for the League if they crossed the line, Cadmus itself started jumping across them (mass murder and brainwashing of clones, allying with Lex Luthor, etc). Eventually, when they activated their attack on the JL they could not abort it. Batman mentions this to Waller, wondering who is watching them.
- The Simpsons referenced this in the episode 'Homer the Vigilante', when Homer becomes the leader of a neighbourhood watch group.
Lisa: Dad, don't you see that you're abusing your power like all vigilantes? I mean, if you're the police, who will police the police?
Homer: I dunno. Coast Guard?