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15th Jun '16 10:01:19 AM Discar
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->''"Who watches the watchmen?"''
-->-- ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', quoting '''Creator/{{Juvenal}}'''

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->''"Who ->'''Pessimal:''' ''Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?'' Your Grace.\\
'''Vimes:''' I know that one. "Who
watches the watchmen?"''
watchmen?" Me, Mr. Pessimal.\\
'''Pessimal:''' Ah, but who watches you, Your Grace?\\
'''Vimes:''' I do that, too. All the time. Believe me.
-->-- ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', quoting '''Creator/{{Juvenal}}'''
''Discworld/{{Thud}}''
28th May '16 10:42:17 AM DeisTheAlcano
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->''Who watches the watchmen?''
-->-- '''''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}, quoting Juvenal'''''

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->''Who ->''"Who watches the watchmen?''
watchmen?"''
-->-- '''''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}, ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', quoting Juvenal'''''
'''Creator/{{Juvenal}}'''
1st May '16 5:32:15 AM EDP
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** When he reorganized the Minbari government, [[GenreSavvy Valen reorganized military assets]] specifically to answer this question: warships are made three at time with one going to each of the three castes (Warrior crews are generally considered better), the Anla'shok (a fourth caste ''de facto'' if not by law) have their own fleet (smaller than any of the caste fleets and slanted toward smaller ships but better crewed. And, with the introduction of the ''White Star''-class, technologically superior), and effectively all the non-Anla'shok fighters being piloted by members of the Fire Wings clan of the Warrior caste but depending on support crews from other clans or even different castes depending on the assignment. Considering that Valen was a formidable RulesLawyer and, [[spoiler:actually being Sinclair, was educated in a Catholic school and thus was likely familiar with Juvenal in the first place]], it was only to be expected.
25th Apr '16 10:25:35 PM Odacon_Spy
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* Discussed in the LoadingReadyRun sketch [[http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/421/Watchmen-Watching Watchmen Watching]]. The Watchmen are watched by the Neighborhood Watchmen Watching Organization who are watched by the Watching the Neighborhood Watchmen Watching Organization Organization who are watched Jeff who is watched by someone in the background.

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* Discussed in the LoadingReadyRun sketch [[http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/421/Watchmen-Watching Watchmen Watching]]. [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} The Watchmen Watchmen]] are watched by the Neighborhood Watchmen Watching Organization Organization, who are in turn watched by the Watching the Neighborhood Watchmen Watching Organization Organization Organization, who are watched Jeff by a guy named Jeff, who is watched by someone in the background.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' referenced this in the episode 'Homer the Vigilante', when Homer becomes the leader of a neighbourhood watch group.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' referenced this in the episode 'Homer the Vigilante', when Homer becomes the leader of a neighbourhood neighborhood watch group.
16th Mar '16 10:35:13 PM JediGoalie30
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* ''EnemyOfTheState'': At the end of the film, Robert and Carla are watching a TV news interview with Congressman Albert and this trope is discussed both on the TV and then by them.
-->'''Congressman Albert''': [''On TV''] We knew that we had to monitor our enemies. We've also come to realise that we need to monitor the people who are monitoring them...\\
'''Carla''': Well, who's going to monitor the monitors of the monitors?


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* In ''[[Creator/MichaelConnelly Trunk Music]]'', an exchange between Bosch and [[InternalAffairs IA Detective Chastain]] ends with the two of them arguing over this trope.
-->'''Chastain''': ...if there is no one to police the police then there is no one to keep the abuse of their wide powers in check.\\
'''Bosch''': Let me ask you this, Chastain. Who polices the police who police the police?
20th Dec '15 2:56:30 PM jormis29
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* The idea cropped up in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Republic'', in regards to who will guard against the city guards turning on the population. Plato's solution is to tell the guards that they're so much better than everybody else that it is their sacred duty to protect them - yeah, that'll work.

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* The idea cropped up in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Republic'', ''Literature/TheRepublic'', in regards to who will guard against the city guards turning on the population. Plato's solution is to tell the guards that they're so much better than everybody else that it is their sacred duty to protect them - yeah, that'll work.



* Referenced in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'' in regards to the handmaidens supposedly policing Jedi while serving directly under one.

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* Referenced in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II'' ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicII'' in regards to the handmaidens supposedly policing Jedi while serving directly under one.
20th Dec '15 1:34:30 PM Discar
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The idea cropped up in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Republic'', in regards to who will guard against the city guards turning on the population. Plato's solution is to tell the guards that they're so much better than everybody else that it is their sacred duty to protect them - yeah, that'll work.

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* The idea cropped up in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Republic'', in regards to who will guard against the city guards turning on the population. Plato's solution is to tell the guards that they're so much better than everybody else that it is their sacred duty to protect them - yeah, that'll work.
20th Dec '15 1:33:14 PM Discar
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* From ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Watch Commander Sam Vimes has the answer: "We all keep an eye on each other".

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* From ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':
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Watch Commander Sam Vimes has the answer: "We all keep an eye on each other".



--->'''The Guarding Dark''': "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watchmen? Me."

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--->'''The Guarding Dark''': "Quis Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watchmen? Me."


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** Something similar to the witches comes up with the Auditors, albeit of the more paranoid flavor. They're all completely interchangeable and share all memories and experience, but need at least three of them to make any decision, so that each of them is watched by two.
2nd Dec '15 12:17:54 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* The idea cropped up in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Republic'', in regards to who will guard against the city guards turning on the population. Plato's solution is to tell the guards that they're so much better than everybody else that it is their sacred duty to protect them - yeah, that'll work.

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* In ''Watches'' franchise of Sergey Lukyanenko, this is the ''real'' reason why both Night and Day Watches exist. Revelation of Other's existence to humanity will lead to eradication of both Light and Dark Others, as [[spoiler: most of the magic enegy are generated by humanity, while Others consume more than they produce. So, in order to defend humans and Others Watches were created, along with Inquisition to control them.]]
The idea cropped up in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Republic'', in regards to who will guard against the city guards turning on the population. Plato's solution is to tell the guards that they're so much better than everybody else that it is their sacred duty to protect them - yeah, that'll work.
18th Oct '15 4:37:18 AM Taxima
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* This is the stated purpose of [[BlackKnight Dark Knights]] when they were introduced in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV''. They are a group of masterless vigilantes who will slay any of Ishgard's AboveTheLaw Temple Knights if they abuse their power or their KnightTemplar mentality threatens the innocent. They are actually shunned and feared by most of Ishgard society for their practice of BlackMagic.
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