Don't ask, don't tell.
Dad! No one wants to hear your stupid Vietnam stories!
Quite often, especially in shows set in the 50s and 60s, the father figure will be a veteran. Whether he's a Standard '50s Father
or an Overprotective Dad
, he's capable of being a real hardcase in the right circumstances. Yes, even the Dads who appear to be nothing but creampuff can be tough guys when they need to be
, and he bases it all on his years of military service.
Often this is pulled in situations where a younger (almost always male) character needs to be browbeaten or intimidated. Whether the dad was merely a Marine, or the equivalent of FOXHOUND
, at some point, they'll bring it up in a not-so-casual way when they need to remind the younger character that they aren't as soft and yielding as they seem to be.
Quite a few female characters are given a Veteran Dad as an excuse for why she's tough and independent
, but it can also be a Freudian Excuse
if he was a tyrannical martinet who lorded over his family with an iron hand. Sometimes this allows female characters to have access to unusual skills or assets, on the assumption that senior military officers use their aviation regiments as their kid's private chauffeurs.
This effect can also happen if Dad used to be a cop, or a government agent of some sort. In comedies, it often turns out that yeah, Dad was in the Army... but he was a cook, or a file clerk, or a mechanic, or had some other less than intimidating job.
This was a Justified Trope
not too long ago for American families, given the almost back-to-back nature of World War II
, The Korean War
, and The Vietnam War
. Given the ongoing War On Terror
, one can expect this trope to come back into prominence
. It shows up quite often when the plotline involves The Generation Gap
It often coincides with the Military Brat trope.
- In Secondhand Lions during Hub McCann's Crowning Badass Speech of Asskicking, when he single-handedly takes down the greasers who invade the diner, he rather pointedly mentions that he is a veteran:
Greaser Punk: "Who the hell are you, old man?"
Hub McCann: "I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, killed many men, and loved only one woman with a passion a flea like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!"
- In Juno, Juno's dad blatantly states that he's a war veteran. The precise war is never quite pinned down.
- In Pacific Rim, both Stacker Pentecost and Hercules Hansen have served in the military for nearly two decades. Prior to K-Day and the Kaiju invasion, Stacker had served in the British Royal Air Force with his sister, Luna, while Herc was already enlisted in the Australian Royal Air Force. After that, they joined the Pan Pacific Defense Corps and eventually became the longest serving (and surviving) Jaeger pilots. By the time of the film, Stacker is the Marshal of the PPDC and Hong Kong Shatterdome; Herc still pilots Striker Eureka alongside his young son, Chuck.
- Played with in War Horse, where it isn't quite the trope it'd be in a post-Great War setting. Mr. Narracott is shown as having fought in the Boer War, and it's hardened him somewhat, but not in a positive sense. He refuses to talk about what he did or even acknowledge his medals and regimental pennant. His wife explains the situation to Albie, his gentle and somewhat simple-minded son, but it doesn't keep him from attempting to enlist in World War One at the first opportunity.
- Captain von Trapp in The Sound of Music served in WWI and was decorated for his actions.
- The step-dad in Boyhood. At one point, Olivia marries Jim, who has just come off of tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq. In his initial scenes, he comes off as responsible and driven, reciting his experiences in a down-to-earth way while revealing that no one in his platoon lost a life during the time he was in the service. However, it's hinted that his time in combat had a greater effect on him than he'd been willing to admit, as he turns to drinking later on in the film, and repeatedly reprimands Mason whenever he perceives the latter as slacking in his life decisions.
- Played with in William Beamon's novel The Sunshine State. Teenage Darryl is warned by his girlfriend Sandra's father that "he'd been in the Army during the war" (the war in question being the Vietnam War) and that if Darryl "got fresh", dad might have to hurt the boy. Later when he's alone with her, he jokes about the warning, theorizing that her dad (described as "round, well-padded, balding, and genial" earlier in the novel by Darryl himself) had probably been a cook or a file clerk. She hastily corrects him:
"Who dad?" she asked. "No, he was an Army ranger. He'd be dropped behind enemy lines to rescue prisoners of war and stuff. He knows how to kill people about a dozen ways with his bare hands. I saw him beat up a guy who was trying to break into our car outside of the movie theater with a rolled up magazine. You know... special forces kinda stuff."
- In A Brother's Price, all of the Whistler grandmothers had been common line soldiers, descended from soldiers, blacklisted for treason, trained as thieves, and turning their hands to becoming spies. They passed this training down to their daughters, who passed it down to their daughters. The granddaughters all have military discipline, on down to the little ones, and they are well able to defend their youngest and their menfolk. Thanks to the Whistler grandfather and his odd ideas, said menfolk are also somewhat trained. Jerin Whistler benefits from this. He's a Non-Action Guy like every male in the setting, but a Spirited Young Gentleman.
- Park's father from Eleanor And Park served in the Korean War, and is suitably gruff and aloof.
- Archie Bunker from All in the Family fought in Italy during "The Big War" in the army air corps
- Howard Cunningham from Happy Days is a perfect example of a kindly, wise Standard '50s Father. But when he needed to be, he could remind his children (and he even reminded the Fonz at one point) that he'd been in the army during "the war" (it is assumed he's talking about World War II), and could still throw down if he needed to. It was later revealed that he had been a file clerk or a cook, depending on which episode you're watching.
- Nikki's dad from Malcolm in the Middle.
- Parodied when Frank Costanza told a war story about being in the military... as a cook. It was played in full-blown Mundane Made Awesome flashback.
- Played straight with Elaine's father, although he only appeared in one episode.
- The Major from Soap was a WWII veteran.
- Bill Engvall did this to his daughter's prom date on The Bill Engvall Show.
- Freaks and Geeks is set and made in a time when conscription was a recent memory.
- Harold Weir served in the Korean War, and Mr. Andopolis was in the Air Force.
- A non-parental example: Mr. Kowchevski (Lindsay's grumpy and hard nosed math teacher) served in Vietnam.
- In Everybody Loves Raymond, Ray's father Frank was a veteran. He served in Korea and tends to bring it up when he's trying to get away with something.
- The Dad in The Wonder Years was a veteran of the Korean War. It came up fairly frequently (including as a justification for why he didn't need to stop and ask for directions).
- Red Forman on That '70s Show is a vetaran of both World War II and The Korean War. And he likes to bring it up.
- Smallville: His military service so defines Lois Lane's father, that even she refers to him only as "The General."
- Home Improvement, Jill Taylor's father is a gruff war veteran who fought in World War II and the Korea War.
- Martin from Frasier was both a Korean war veteran and a retired homicide detective. This didn't come up that much in the Retired Badass way, but was simply another facet of Martin's generally masculine persona in (comedic) comparision to his more effette sons Frasier and Niles.
- Played with in Mad Men. Technically, Don is a Korea veteran, and he has a Purple Heart, but the more pertinent fact about his service is that he caused the accident that wounded him and killed his commanding officer, then stole the dead man's identity and used it to desert and start his post-war life. Naturally he feels less than pure unadulterated pride when he's asked to stand up along with other veterans at a Memorial Day event and sees his kids beaming and applauding. Later, Betty's father comes to live with them and brings his grandson a box full of his WWI memorabilia, including a helmet belonging to a German he's pretty sure he killed. Don is disturbed and tells him not to put romantic ideas about war into Bobby's head. In Don's other life at the office, his best friend Roger Sterling never misses a chance to brag about his WWII service—he served in the Navy in the Pacific Theater—particularly to young Smug Snake Pete Campbell. It gave him a virulent hatred of the Japanese that seriously threatens a deal with Honda at one point.
- On 3rd Rock from the Sun, Mary's father is a WWII veteran. He bores everyone except Sally with his war stories. Hilarity Ensues when he and Sally decide to hook up (note he's still married).
- In The Monkees episode "The Chaperone", Davy tries to date the daughter of a military man, but has a difficult time finding time alone with her because he runs his household like a barracks.
- The Red Green Show once featured an advice segment for what to do if there was no war when you were the right age, yet people still expect a war story.
- In Supernatural, John Winchester was a Marine Corporal in Vietnam, home again some time in his early twenties to marry his sweetheart. We know him as the hard-bitten, driven Crusading Widower who raised his two sons in a kind of traveling boot camp, so it's quite a shocker when Time Travel in season four reveals that he came back from the war still a cheerful, outgoing young fellow. Whose idea of a date was apparently going out for milkshakes.* The Marines may have given him the tools to kick ass with, but the Bad Ass Blood Knight The Stoic hunter thing was all him and his vendetta.
- In JAG, Harmon Rabb's dad was naval aviator who was MIA in The Vietnam War. Also the series' Team Dad, Rear Admiral A.J. Chegwidden, served as a Navy SEAL in the same war. Sturgis Turner's father, Chaplin Turner, also served in Vietnam.
- And in the Spin-Off, NCIS, Leroy Jethro Gibbs was a Marine sniper and fought in the invasion of Panama and the First Gulf War. And his father flew a P-51 in WWII.
- On 30 Rock, Liz's father was stationed at Pearl Harbor... during the Korean War.
- On It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Frank tries to come across as this, back when he still thought he was Dennis and Dee's dad, mentioning the time he spent in Vietnam. Dee points out that Frank went to Vietnam as a civilian, in The Nineties, to open a sweat shop.
- Actor Gerald McRaney often played Vietnam War veterans or other military character; with the example best fitting this trope being his role on Touched by an Angel spinoff Promised Land as Vietnam veteran Russell Greene.
- In True Detective, Rust Cohle's single father was a hard-bitten Vietnam veteran.
- The music video of Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" featured Mark Metcalf essentially playing Neidermeyer-turned-father, who runs his house like a disciplined army, and carried an M16, and is just disgusted at his worthless, weak son's choice to play that sick, twisted, electric TWANGER (a guitar).
- In World in Conflict, Captain Bannon's step-dad (a comrade in arms of his late actual father) is a retired veteran who constantly belitters Bannon for not being a good enough soldier, even in situations where Bannon couldn't do anything.
- King of the Hill has Hank's dad, Cotton. He frequently abuses his status as a veteran, and remains a misogynistic, abusive, and downright unpleasant wanker to his death at the hands of... shrimp allergies.
- The Simpsons: Abe Simpson fits this trope, particularly in flashbacks to his younger days. Now, as an old man, he's more of a Shell-Shocked Veteran.
- In Hey Arnold!, Gerald was raised on the idea his father, a paper pusher, was a war hero. Turns out he was a clerk in an in-country office during Vietnam. That said, he did save a man's life when he found a wounded soldier in the field on a trip and saved his life using the files he was transporting as an emergency med kit.
- Louie's dad in Life With Louie was very quick to remind everyone within earshot he served in the second world war, though his story changed with every telling. For example, he was apparently at both Omaha Beach AND Iwo Jima. The truth does come out eventually. It turns out he served in the army as a cook, with the nickname "Keister."
- Played for Laughs in The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy where Billy's idiot dad Harold is listed as an "Ex-Navy Seal" during a talk-show segment.
- On Daria, Jake has a Hilariously Abusive Childhood about his father, "Mad Dog" Morgendorffer, and his nasty parenting techniques. It culminated in Jake spending his teen years in an equally-unpleasant military school, so he has a smidge of this trope himself.