"Who has time to learn logical fallacies? Don't you know children are starving in Africa?"Also called:
- The "Children Are Starving In Africa!" Argument.
- Fallacy of relative privation (its proper name).
- That it is not possible to care about big and small problems simultaneously.
- That venting a minor complaint is sufficient proof that the major problem is considered unimportant.
- That if the person irritated over the minor problem did help solve or even cared about the big problems, s/he would then not mind at all that his/her car broke down or whatever the frustration was...or because there are people with worse problems, that person shouldn't complain about a frustration.
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- The "And you are worried about stepping on dog poo" ad in Reader's Digest about landmines.
- Commonly used when an unrealistic element of fiction is being argued about; for example, if one person questions how Naboo in Star Wars can have an Elective Monarchy that elects a 14 year old queen, (or what the point of such an institution would actually be) the second states something like "And this is the biggest problem you have in a universe with mystic powers and spaceships as big as moons?"
- Done in A Christmas Story when Randy doesn't eat the meatloaf because he hates it. Mrs. Parker tells him that starving children in China would be happy to have it.
- In Munich one of the people involved in the planning of the Munich massacre of Israeli Olympic athletes says that compared with the reaction to the massacre, nobody says anything about the children killed in Israel's military attacks against Palestinians.
- 3000 Miles to Graceland gives us this exchange:
Michael: Finish your fries.
Jesse: I don't have to if I don't want to. You're not my father, you know.
Michael: Didn't you ever hear about starving kids in Africa?
Jesse: Why? Are you gonna send them my fries?
- In The Cat Who... Series, one time when Qwilleran's pampered Siamese turn up their noses at the food he gives them, he makes some reference to there being cats in another country that don't know where their next mouse is coming from. It makes no difference to the spoiled kitties.
- In Write This Book: A Do-It-Yourself Mystery, Pseudonymous Bosch talks about this in a sidebar in regarding perspective, describing a parent using this argument against a kid who got a bad haircut. He comments "It goes without saying that this so-called long view is infuriating for someone whose hair is cut too short. Sure, your hair might grow back one day, but will it grow back before school starts next week." The end of the sidebar, however, reads "And stop whining about that haircut!"
- Spoofed in Good Omens, when the anthropomorphic personification of Famine throws the contents of a fast-food tray into a bin; "if you had told him there were starving children in Africa, he would have been flattered that you noticed."
- Ken Jennings (that guy who won all the money on Jeopardy!) points out the ridiculousness of this in his book Because I Said So!: The Truth Behind the Myths, Tales, and Warnings Every Generation Passes Down to Its Kids.
- Played for laughs in This Mitchell and Webb Book, which contains a section parodying those people on Twitter who reply to the tweets of politicians and journalists with extremely stupidly rude comments for no real reason. One of the posts is Connie Wyatt making a joke post about ice-cream, with one of the replies reading, "Millions of children die of Malaria in Africa every year, and you're worried about ice-cream? How do you even live with yourself?".
Live Action TV
- In "Amy's Baking Company" on Kitchen Nightmares, one of the owners actually uses this when a customer complains about the food. Never mind that "Well, our food at least keeps you from starving" is a peculiarly low bar to clear for a professional eating establishment.
- Frank Burns tries to use this argument in M*A*S*H when he sees Radar throwing away a half-eaten (and inedible) dinner:
Burns: There are people starving in China, you know!Radar (offering his tray): Here, you can give them this.
- Used in an episode of The George Lopez Show when George scolds Max for needlessly wrecking his toy monster-truck.
George: You know there are some kids who don't even have toys!Max: Yes, and there are some kids who have lots of toys, so that evens it out.
- In Outnumbered, when Pete tries to get Karen to eat her greens:
Pete: There are children in Africa, who would love to eat this.Karen: Then why don't you just send it to them. Buy an envelope and send it to them.
- Michael Jackson's "Why You Wanna Trip On Me?" is a List Song of problems he thinks people should worry about more than his personal life.
- The Weird Al song "Eat It" opens with the lyrics "How come you're always such a fussy young man/Don't want no Captain Crunch, don't want no Raisin Bran/Well don't you know that other kids are starving in Japan/So eat it, just eat it."
- In the Dilbert book The Joy of Work, Scott Adams responds to Norman Solomon's book The Trouble with Dilbert by writing a fictional interview between Solomon and Dogbert. When he has Solomon complain that Dilbert attacks Pointy Haired Bosses more than Corrupt Corporate Executives, Dogbert's counterargument is that Solomon clearly supports teen pregnancy because he didn't write a book about that. What makes it more absurd is that, according to Adams himself in the same book, Normon Solomon's The Trouble With Dilbert only came about because of Solomon taking one of Adams' quotes about "Good things about downsizing" out of context (the original context was that, since he's always hammering on downsizing in his books and comics, if he could think of anything that is good about downsizing.)
- Appears very frequently in For Better or for Worse, when a character wants to shut up the complaints of another, typically along the lines of "You're sitting around complaining about a haircut when there are refugees in war-torn countries out there!"
- This is mocked in this Shortpacked! strip. "April, you spoiled brat! There are children starving in Africa!"
- Many accusations of this fallacy are deconstructed by Quino in the form of First World Problems, for example: In one strip it shows a man walking unflinchingly through crime-ridden poverty-infested streets, until he arrives to his job as a TV host where he dedicates his program to people "With great angst and sadness caused by gaining weight and who wanted to show their figure by the pool this summer". In another it puts a side-by-side comparison of a rich woman and a Third-World country one, where they both complain about the unhealthy food their family eat (sweets and junk food in the rich woman's case and worms, rotten meat and infected water for the poor one).
- Some of the detractors of Shane Koyczan's anti-bullying "To This Day Project" have been guilty of this, by claiming that the issue of bullying doesn't deserve attention when there are children starving in Africa or warring in trouble spots around the globe.
- When JonTron was criticized for referring to the Playstation Now service for PlayStation 4 as "retarded" on Twitter, he responded that those offended by his word usage should instead direct their outrage at more important matters, like the Gaza strip bombings.
- Mocked on the Internet where someone once said, "If we really had no right to complain about stuff because others have it worse, then by that logic, people like Michael Moore and every radio talk show host should be out of a job, and most of the northern hemisphere should be dead silent, because the only people who have a right to complain are those in Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan, etc."
- In the lead-up to Valentines Day 2014, there was a common Facebook meme being shared, which said something like "feeling sad about not having a date on Valentines Day? well some people don't have a Mother on Mothers Day or a Father on Fathers Day, so shut the f!ck up!".
Stand Up Comedy
- Referenced by Peter Kay when he complains about his mother buying him Rola Cola and him refusing to drink it. "There are children starving in Africa!" "Then send it to them! They'll send it back! It's that bad!"
- Also Carl Hurley, a rather rotund Kentucky comedian, who'll occasionally sprinkle in a reference of how he wonders how his obesity benefits children in Africa.
- German comedian Otto Waalkes has made a sketch where a friendly priest holding a tv-sermon tells us about a friend of his, a millionaire, who came to him in great distress: he had dropped his shaving brush into the toilet that morning. The priest consoled him in this fashion by reminding him that while yes, having dropped your shaving brush into the toilet is horrible, there are people who are worse off by far. After all, some people don't even have a beard.
- Scottish comedian Danny Bhoy, after mentioning that the World Health Organization officially declared that Scotland has the worst diet in the world:
"We have the worst diet in the world! That includes African countries! Countries with no food at all! It's better to be starving than Scottish! When I was a kid, if I didn't eat everything on my plate, my mom would tell me 'Danny, there are children starving in Africa who would give their right arm for what you're eating'. I had no idea that halfway around the world, African mothers were telling their kids the same thing about us. 'What's wrong, Muwabe? Are you hungry? Well, right now there are kids over in Scotland chewing on haggis who wish they were as hungry as you!'"
- The late John Pinette, another fat comedian (whose material is mostly about food and how much he loves food), once had a lady knock on his door to tell him "There are children starving in Africa!" His response? "Hey, I've been here all day, okay?", thinking he was being blamed for it.
- One of the Swedish comedy duo Hans Alfredsson and Tage Danielsson's sketches consisted of a dialogue made up entirely by this fallacy:
- Don't be so mean! You know I got a nail in my foot this morning on the building site!
- A nail in your foot? You know, during the French revolution they chopped the heads of the noblemen like loafs of bread. They would have been damned happy if all they had to endure was a nail in the foot!
- And another thing, we just found out that the insurance company won't give us a single penny for our summerhouse that burned down!
- Are you aware that there hasn't even been a hundred years since the entire city of Sundsvall burned down?
- Parodied in this strip of Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal, in which people who try to use the argument are constantly interrupted by people with even worse problems until they finally reach the least fortunate man in the world.
- You Damn Kid! had the author relate how his family once accepted an orphan from China into their home for a while... which led to the Kid pointing out that his mother's claims about "Starving orphans in China would kill for that!" were false when even the orphan was disgusted by the meal.
- Parodied in this strip of The Non-Adventures of Wonderella. "How can you even THINK of superheroing when there's so much crime and tragedy in the world?"
- In Arthur, King of Time and Space Guenevere responds to the idea that there are "bigger problems than misogyny" by asking which is worse, misogyny or littering. When the other person admits misogyny is worse than littering, she retorts "But when you see litter, you pick it up, don't you?"
- Ozy and Millie often points out the stupidity of this.
Mrs. Mudd: My attempt to get you to eat your peas by instilling global perspective is going to haunt me forever isn't it?
- Played for Laughs: Fark.com has many headlines that fall into this, mostly for local legislatures who, "having solved all other problems", get to work on something mostly innocuous. Also, whenever doctors come up with some silly technological innovation, you can be sure there'll be a Fark headline about it ending with, "Still no cure for cancer."
- During a Heat Wave, you might see a blurb (sometimes on a picture, sometimes as a Facebook status, what have you) about how "I'm not going to complain about the heat today because soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan not only experience heat every day, but carry lots of equipment through it and may not even survive the day." Here's a sample. The inverse applies to a milder extent: Don't complain about how cold it is. Ever. Especially if it's above 0 C. Unless you want to get in a Flame War with those who live in colder climates. Similarly, complaining about the aftermath of a tropical storm/small hurricane or small earthquake will likely get you blasted by people who experienced far worse storms and quakes every year.
- Greta Christina lists this as one of the standard "Shut up, that's why!" arguments used to shut off discussion.
- During Facebook's university-student-only days, there would often be groups titled along the lines of "Finish Your Drink, There Are Sober Kids In India". (This was later turned into a mildly popular dorm-room poster.)
- An episode of Beavis and Butt-Head has Beavis distracting a female student while Butt-Head slips Spanish Fly into her taco. Instead of eating it, she says she's lost her appetite. Butt-Head says "You shouldn't, like, waste food and stuff. Uhh, because there's like, uhh, starving people in Indiana, or something."
- A sketch on Robot Chicken shows a boy yelling at his parents after receiving a Rock Lord for Christmas. His mother replies that children in other countries would be grateful to have one. The scene then cuts to a Palestinian boy thanking his parents for giving him a Rock Lord, which he then throws at an Israeli soldier.
- This (specifically the starving African children) has become a fairly popular T-Shirt. It personifies Africa as saying "And you think you have problems..."
- During The Troubles in Northern Ireland, this was about half of what was disparaged by the term "whataboutery" (the other half being hypocrisy).
- The deaths of celebrities can be met with these, when The Fast and the Furious star, Paul Walker, died in a car crash there was no lack of people who accused the public of crying over the death of one rich guy rather than worrying about people dying in wars.
- Famously when Michael Jackson died, Hugo Chavez criticized the newspapers for reporting this on their front pages rather than the 2009 Honduras coup d'etat.
- In the wake of the shooting of Michael Brown in the US, a number of pundits and politicians downplayed the seriousness of possible police misconduct by saying that black-on-black crime is far worse, falling squarely into this trope.
- In social justice circles, this is derisively nicknamed "Oppression Olympics".
- Ever have a bad day at work or school, and feel you just need to vent? And have you tried to do so, only for you to be told something along the lines of "You think YOU have it bad? I...." or "I'll give YOU something to cry about" by someone else (Be they a friend, family member, or stranger on the internet)? You've just experienced this trope.
Looks like this fallacy but is not:
- When dealing with limited time or resources, and discussion or debate of the lesser problem is impeding the parties from solving or addressing the greater problem (e.g. "Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic").
- Some political discussions (we're not naming which ones) will often have people bringing up "less important" issues that are only loosely related to the discussion, and they will often receive a dismissive response to keep the discussion on topic.
- When the worse issues are directly related to the subject in question (complaining that your car is wrecked when your loved ones are in critical condition because of the accident) or when it's used to rebut a deliberate attempt to lump together or equate both issues.
- Medical triage. If there are two injured people and one doctor, whom should the doctor treat first—the guy with a minor (or even moderate) burn or the guy with a knife in his gut?
- When used as a counter to hyperbole along the lines of "[Relatively minor problem] is just the worst thing ever...."
- You're complaining that TV Tropes ruined your life? There are people who are blocked from visiting TV Tropes in the first place! There are those who can't even afford Internet access!
- Psh, be quiet, there are people who don't even have computers!
- All of you be quiet! There are people who are dead babies!
- ENOUGH! There are people who didn't even get a chance to exist, even in dead baby form!''