History Main / AppealToWorseProblems

7th Oct '17 1:06:29 PM ItBugsMe
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* Famously when Music/MichaelJackson died, Hugo Chavez criticized the newspapers [[WorstNewsJudgementEver for reporting this on their front pages]] rather than the 2009 Honduras coup d'etat.
30th Sep '17 8:42:31 AM trumpetmarietta
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The intent is to distort the opponent's claim X into "X, which is far more important than anything else."

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The intent is to distort the opponent's claim X "''X''" into "X, "''X'', which is far more important than anything else."
21st Aug '17 11:45:42 PM garthvader
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* The "worse problem" is something that flows directly from the logic of the original point. For example, if someone is complaining it is "unrealistic" for a skeleton character to have hair, pointing out it is unrealistic for a skeleton character to be able to ''do anything'' is a valid rebuttal.
21st Aug '17 11:40:47 PM garthvader
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A type of FalseDichotomy, and close cousin of AppealToPity. Often invoked in MiseryPoker. See also, WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. Overlaps with a specific type of [[AdHominem|Tu Quoque]] fallacy called '''Whataboutism''' which uses the same logic (you make point A, but what about B?) but is used to deflect criticism of a group from sources external to that group by pointing to a perceived equal or worse thing that the speaker's group does.

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A type of FalseDichotomy, and close cousin of AppealToPity. Often invoked in MiseryPoker. See also, WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. Overlaps with a specific type of [[AdHominem|Tu [[AdHominem Tu Quoque]] fallacy called '''Whataboutism''' which uses the same logic (you make point A, but what about B?) but is used to deflect criticism of a group from sources external to that group by pointing to a perceived equal or worse thing that the speaker's group does.
21st Aug '17 11:40:02 PM garthvader
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A type of FalseDichotomy, and close cousin of AppealToPity. Often invoked in MiseryPoker. See also, WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency

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A type of FalseDichotomy, and close cousin of AppealToPity. Often invoked in MiseryPoker. See also, WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency
WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. Overlaps with a specific type of [[AdHominem|Tu Quoque]] fallacy called '''Whataboutism''' which uses the same logic (you make point A, but what about B?) but is used to deflect criticism of a group from sources external to that group by pointing to a perceived equal or worse thing that the speaker's group does.
8th Apr '17 10:15:04 AM nombretomado
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* Many accusations of this fallacy are deconstructed by ComicStrip/{{Quino}} in the form of FirstWorldProblems. For example: in one strip it shows a man walking unflinchingly through crime-ridden poverty-infested streets, until he arrives to his job as a TV host where he dedicates his program to people "With great angst and sadness caused by gaining weight and who wanted to show their figure by the pool this summer". In another it puts a side-by-side comparison of a rich woman and one from a Third World country, where they both complain about the unhealthy food their family eat (sweets and junk food in the rich woman's case and worms, rotten meat and infected water for the poor one).

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* Many accusations of this fallacy are deconstructed by ComicStrip/{{Quino}} Creator/{{Quino}} in the form of FirstWorldProblems. For example: in one strip it shows a man walking unflinchingly through crime-ridden poverty-infested streets, until he arrives to his job as a TV host where he dedicates his program to people "With great angst and sadness caused by gaining weight and who wanted to show their figure by the pool this summer". In another it puts a side-by-side comparison of a rich woman and one from a Third World country, where they both complain about the unhealthy food their family eat (sweets and junk food in the rich woman's case and worms, rotten meat and infected water for the poor one).
7th Apr '17 5:12:21 AM Josef5678
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* Mocked on TheInternet where someone once said, "If we really had no right to complain about stuff because others have it worse, then by that logic, people like Creator/MichaelMoore and every radio talk show host should be out of a job, and most of the northern hemisphere should be ''dead silent'', because the only people who have a right to complain are those in {{Somalia}}, {{Afghanistan}}, {{Sudan}}, etc."
* In the lead-up to ValentinesDay 2014, there was a common Facebook meme being shared, which said something like "feeling sad about not having a date on Valentines Day? well some people don't have a Mother on MothersDay or a Father on FathersDay, so shut the f!ck up!".

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* Mocked on TheInternet where someone once said, "If we really had no right to complain about stuff because others have it worse, then by that logic, people like Creator/MichaelMoore and every radio talk show host should be out of a job, and most of the northern hemisphere should be ''dead silent'', because the only people who have a right to complain are those in {{Somalia}}, {{Afghanistan}}, {{Sudan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Sudan}}, etc."
* In the lead-up to ValentinesDay Valentine's Day 2014, there was a common Facebook meme being shared, which said something like "feeling sad about not having a date on Valentines Day? well some people don't have a Mother on MothersDay Mother's Day or a Father on FathersDay, Father's Day, so shut the f!ck up!".



'''Molly:''' Then try being an orphan in the {{Philippines}} where [[HarmfulToMinors hundreds of thousands of orphans are forced into prostitution thanks to sex tourism]]. In Africa, AIDS has created millions of orphans who won't live to see puberty.\\

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'''Molly:''' Then try being an orphan in the {{Philippines}} UsefulNotes/{{Philippines}} where [[HarmfulToMinors hundreds of thousands of orphans are forced into prostitution thanks to sex tourism]]. In Africa, AIDS has created millions of orphans who won't live to see puberty.\\
6th Apr '17 8:55:12 PM Noah1
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[[caption-width-right:303: You ought to be grateful that you get to die with a full stomach!]]



# The "Children Are Starving In Africa!" Argument.

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# The "Children Are Starving In Africa!" UsefulNotes/{{Africa}}!" Argument.



A related issue is the airgap problem. No matter how much worse someone else's pain is, you can only feel your own. Your paper cut isn't objectively as painful as someone else's broken leg--but you don't feel any pain from their leg, while your own paper cut stings you like the dickens. (For that matter, their broken leg isn't as painful as the pain of someone else who's being tortured to death; but they still have an airgap. Their broken leg is agonizing to them, but they don't feel the other person's torture at all.)

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A related issue is the airgap problem. No matter how much worse someone else's pain is, you can only feel your own. Your paper cut isn't objectively as painful as someone else's broken leg--but leg -- but you don't feel any pain from their leg, while your own paper cut stings you like the dickens. (For that matter, their broken leg isn't as painful as the pain of someone else who's being tortured to death; but they still have an airgap. Their broken leg is agonizing to them, but they don't feel the other person's torture at all.)



* Discussed in the third book of ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents - The Wide Window''. The author points out that while pointing out that things could be worse might be true, it's still ineffective at distracting oneself from one's current problems, likening it to trying to ignore a pimple on your nose by imagining oneself being attacked by a bear.

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* Discussed in the third book of ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents - -- The Wide Window''. The author points out that while pointing out that things could be worse might be true, it's still ineffective at distracting oneself from one's current problems, likening it to trying to ignore a pimple on your nose by imagining oneself being attacked by a bear.



* Appears ''very'' frequently in ''ComicStrip/ForBetterOrForWorse'', when a character wants to shut up the complaints of another, typically along the lines of "You're sitting around complaining about a haircut when there are refugees in war-torn countries out there!"
* This is mocked in [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=486 this]] ''WebComic/{{Shortpacked}}'' strip. "April, you spoiled brat! There are children starving in Africa!"

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* Appears ''very'' frequently in ''ComicStrip/ForBetterOrForWorse'', when a character wants to shut up the complaints of another, typically along long the lines of "You're sitting around complaining about a haircut when there are refugees in war-torn countries out there!"
* ** This is mocked in [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=486 this]] ''WebComic/{{Shortpacked}}'' strip. "April, you spoiled brat! SpoiledBrat! There are children starving in Africa!"



* Mocked on the Internet where someone once said, "If we really had no right to complain about stuff because others have it worse, then by that logic, people like Creator/MichaelMoore and every radio talk show host should be out of a job, and most of the northern hemisphere should be ''dead silent'', because the only people who have a right to complain are those in Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan, etc."
* In the lead-up to Valentines Day 2014, there was a common Facebook meme being shared, which said something like "feeling sad about not having a date on Valentines Day? well some people don't have a Mother on Mothers Day or a Father on Fathers Day, so shut the f!ck up!".

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* Mocked on the Internet TheInternet where someone once said, "If we really had no right to complain about stuff because others have it worse, then by that logic, people like Creator/MichaelMoore and every radio talk show host should be out of a job, and most of the northern hemisphere should be ''dead silent'', because the only people who have a right to complain are those in Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan, {{Somalia}}, {{Afghanistan}}, {{Sudan}}, etc."
* In the lead-up to Valentines Day ValentinesDay 2014, there was a common Facebook meme being shared, which said something like "feeling sad about not having a date on Valentines Day? well some people don't have a Mother on Mothers Day MothersDay or a Father on Fathers Day, FathersDay, so shut the f!ck up!".



* A sketch on ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' shows a boy yelling at his parents after receiving a [[WesternAnimation/ChallengeOfTheGobots Rock Lord]] for Christmas. His mother replies that children in other countries would be grateful to have one. The scene then cuts to a Palestinian boy thanking his parents for giving him a Rock Lord, which he then throws at an Israeli soldier.

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* A ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'':
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sketch involves ComicStrip/LittleOrphanAnnie complaining about her hard-knock life under the thumb of EvilOrphanageLady Miss Hannigan, only for her friend to tell her that she should be grateful that she still has halfway-decent shelter and three square meals a day, compared to the orphans of third-world countries who endure the likes of hunger, disease, and even sex slavery.
-->'''Annie:''' Leapin' lizards, Molly! It sure is a hard knock life -\\
'''Molly:''' Actually, we're very lucky Annie.\\
'''Annie:''' [[OrphansOrdeal Being an orphan sure don't feel lucky.]]\\
'''Molly:''' Then try being an orphan in the {{Philippines}} where [[HarmfulToMinors hundreds of thousands of orphans are forced into prostitution thanks to sex tourism]]. In Africa, AIDS has created millions of orphans who won't live to see puberty.\\
'''Annie:''' Well... I sure don't like that mean ol' Miss Hannigan!\\
'''Molly:''' What don't you like exactly? 3 meals a day? A warm bed? Not being HIV positive? Not performing fellatio
on ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' foreign business men? ({{Beat}}) [[ArmorPiercingQuestion That's what you don't like?]]\\
'''Annie:''' [[DumbStruck Uhh...]] I think I'm gonna go sweep over there for a while Molly. (Annie heads off to complain to a less worldly friend) Gee, Pepper! Miss Hannigan sure is mean!\\
'''Pepper:''' Yeah! I hate that bitch!\\
[[TimeSkip 6 months later]]\\
'''Daddy Warbucks:''' We sure had a grand adventure, Annie! Your quick wits and spunky can-do spirit saved us all! Is there anything my limitless power and billions of dollars can do for you?\\
'''Molly's voice:''' Overseas orphans! Fellatio on foreign business men! ''HIV and AIDS!''\\
'''Annie:''' Hmm... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint nope!]]
** Another sketch
shows a boy yelling at his parents after receiving a [[WesternAnimation/ChallengeOfTheGobots Rock Lord]] for Christmas. His mother replies that children in other countries would be grateful to have one. The scene then cuts to a Palestinian boy thanking his parents for giving him a Rock Lord, which he then throws at an Israeli soldier.
6th Apr '17 8:17:35 AM MyFinalEdits
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* The deaths of celebrities can be met with these. When ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' star Creator/PaulWalker died in a car crash there was no lack of people who [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/652285-paul-walkers-death accused the public]] of crying over the death of one rich guy rather than worrying about people dying in wars.
** Or "what about the non-celebrities who die every day?"
** After the veritable ''flood'' of celebrity deaths in 2016, this practically became a mantra. It got to the point where it was virtually impossible to go on any comment-enabled newsbsite and read an article about the latest death without approximately 50% of the comments invoking this trope and some even straying into the territory of mocking those genuinely upset by the deaths.

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* The deaths of celebrities can be met with these. When ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' star Creator/PaulWalker died in a car crash there was no lack of people who [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/652285-paul-walkers-death accused the public]] of crying over the death of one rich guy rather than worrying about people dying in wars.
** Or "what about the non-celebrities who die every day?"
**
wars. After the veritable ''flood'' of celebrity deaths in 2016, this practically became a mantra. It it got to the point where it was virtually impossible very hard to go on any comment-enabled newsbsite and read an article about the latest death without approximately 50% of the comments invoking this trope and some even straying into the territory of mocking those genuinely upset by the deaths.
5th Apr '17 9:39:41 PM Fireblood
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* In the ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'' book ''The Joy of Work'', Scott Adams responds to Norman Solomon's book ''The Trouble with Dilbert'' by writing a fictional interview between Solomon and Dogbert. When he has Solomon complain that ''Dilbert'' attacks {{Pointy Haired Boss}}es more than {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, Dogbert's counterargument is that Solomon clearly supports teen pregnancy because he didn't write a book about that. What makes it more absurd is that, [[WordOfGod according to Adams himself in the same book,]] Normon Solomon's ''The Trouble With Dilbert'' only came about because of [[TwistingTheWords Solomon taking one of Adams' quotes about "Good things about downsizing" out of context]] (the original context was that, since he's always hammering on downsizing in his books and comics, if he could think of anything that is good about downsizing.)

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* In the ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'' book ''The Joy of Work'', Scott Adams responds to Norman Solomon's book ''The Trouble with Dilbert'' by writing a fictional interview between Solomon and Dogbert. When he has Solomon complain that ''Dilbert'' attacks {{Pointy Haired Boss}}es more than {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, Dogbert's counterargument is that Solomon clearly supports teen pregnancy because he didn't write a book about that. What makes it more absurd is that, [[WordOfGod according to Adams himself in the same book,]] Normon Solomon's ''The Trouble With Dilbert'' only came about because of [[TwistingTheWords [[QuoteMine Solomon taking one of Adams' quotes about "Good things about downsizing" out of context]] (the original context was that, since he's always hammering on downsizing in his books and comics, if he could think of anything that is good about downsizing.)



* Many accusations of this fallacy are deconstructed by ComicStrip/{{Quino}} in the form of FirstWorldProblems, for example: In one strip it shows a man walking unflinchingly through crime-ridden poverty-infested streets, until he arrives to his job as a TV host where he dedicates his program to people "With great angst and sadness caused by gaining weight and who wanted to show their figure by the pool this summer". In another it puts a side-by-side comparison of a rich woman and a Third-World country one, where they both complain about the unhealthy food their family eat (sweets and junk food in the rich woman's case and worms, rotten meat and infected water for the poor one).

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* Many accusations of this fallacy are deconstructed by ComicStrip/{{Quino}} in the form of FirstWorldProblems, for FirstWorldProblems. For example: In in one strip it shows a man walking unflinchingly through crime-ridden poverty-infested streets, until he arrives to his job as a TV host where he dedicates his program to people "With great angst and sadness caused by gaining weight and who wanted to show their figure by the pool this summer". In another it puts a side-by-side comparison of a rich woman and one from a Third-World country one, Third World country, where they both complain about the unhealthy food their family eat (sweets and junk food in the rich woman's case and worms, rotten meat and infected water for the poor one).



* The deaths of celebrities can be met with these, when ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' star, Creator/PaulWalker, died in a car crash there was no lack of people who [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/652285-paul-walkers-death accused the public]] of crying over the death of one rich guy rather than worrying about people dying in wars.

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* The deaths of celebrities can be met with these, when these. When ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' star, Creator/PaulWalker, star Creator/PaulWalker died in a car crash there was no lack of people who [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/652285-paul-walkers-death accused the public]] of crying over the death of one rich guy rather than worrying about people dying in wars.



** After the veritable ''flood'' of celebrity deaths in 2016, this practically became a mantra. It got to the point where it was virtually impossible to go on any comment-enabled news-site and read an article about the latest death without approximately 50% of the comments invoking this trope and some even straying into the territory of mocking those genuinely upset by the deaths.

to:

** After the veritable ''flood'' of celebrity deaths in 2016, this practically became a mantra. It got to the point where it was virtually impossible to go on any comment-enabled news-site newsbsite and read an article about the latest death without approximately 50% of the comments invoking this trope and some even straying into the territory of mocking those genuinely upset by the deaths.
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