Discussion CurbStompBattle / DeathBattle

Question: how fitting is it to put Galactus vs Unicron on here? On the one hand, objectively, the numbers dont lie. Galactus is higher folds of dimensional tiering above unicron, maybe even an infinite number of infinities, at least by the show's logic. On the other hand, its hard to tell if that was the intention of the episode to show it that way.

Considering one of the editing rules specifically says that Spoilered entries don't make good examples, should this entire page be spoiler free? Every single entry spoils who the victor is, so what's the point of this page having it if literally none of them are visible?

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Do you think that the discussion of evil cole warrants mention? While cole vs alex itself wasnt a stomp, boomstick brought up the fact this was because they used good guy cole. Evil cole would have been a much different story.

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Edit Request: One other thing I think would be worth mentioning as part of Blake VS Mikasa is how Mikasa literally had no advantages over Blake mentioned in the post-fight analysis (being thoroughly outclassed in terms of stats, that her opponent was more experienced, had more and better superpowers and equipment, etc). Also that even her one means of killing Blake (the Thunder Spears) was considered dubious in a best-case scenario, due to Weiss and Penny being noted to have survived even bigger explosions with no issues.

Honestly makes me sad, but it does go to show just how lop-sided that one was.

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While in the animation for Dark Souls VS Skyrim, The Chosen Undead held their own against the Dragonborn until their defeat, the post-fight results show that there was no other way that the fight could have ended. In terms of speed, while the Chosen Undead could dodge lasers, Dragonborn with Auriel's Bow could fire arrows 250x faster than light (and a popup states that since the arrows have to cross the infinite realm of Oblivion to reach Magnus, their speed is likely infinite). In terms of power by scaling both Chosen Undead and Dragonborn to the First Flame and Alduin respectively, while Chosen Undead's soul was powerful enough to sustain the First Flame and possibly the universe as a result, Alduin at his peak could threaten the universe, the timestream and multiple infinitely sized planes of reality. And while Dawnbreaker wouldn't be as effective on the Chosen Undead due to the difference between Skyrim's Draugr and Dark Souls' Undead (reanimated corpses vs humans with resurrective immortality) and also factoring in the Chosen Undead's ability to resurrect near endlessly, the gap was just too wide for the Chosen Undead to close in a reasonable amount of time, eventually leading the champion of Lordren to go Hollow which has canonically been considered a form of death in Dark Souls.

Jason Voorhees vs Michael Myers ended up as a foregone conclusion. Jason's superior resilience and healing factor alone are enough of an advantage that the hosts don't even bother crunching any hard numbers about strength or speed, as Myers simply lacked the ability to really put Jason down for good and they weren't really in a lab this episode anyway. This is best exemplified at the end of the of the fight, where Jason shrugs off having an entire knife stabbed into his head while Michael is clearly struggling with being impaled by Jason’s machete. On top of this, only Jason boasted experience in battling supernaturally powerful foes.

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Regarding the addition of SpongeBob vs. Aquaman, can there be a brief mention of the Curb Stomp Cushion that was in place of the fight? It was an unquestionable stomp in practically every meaningful category, but - and I can't believe I'm saying this - Aquaman put up a much better fight against SpongeBob than Homelander did against Omni-Man. He had a healthy case of Adaptational Badass and Throw the Dog a Bone, as he managed to even land hits on SpongeBob, throw him to the other side of the universe with a magic pencil (which would normally be an outright KO for almost every other Death Battle combatant; it just happened that SpongeBob was that OP), and summoned the entire might of every ocean on Earth in a Death or Glory Attack against SpongeBob. The post below and the entry for SpongeBob vs. Aquaman says that the animation didn't try to hide it, but I feel it's only the hosts that don't bother to hide it; if you took the animation out of context, you'd assume that Aquaman was doing a great job with the kind of blatant mismatch he was up against.

My point is, while it's definitely one of the biggest stomps in Death Battle history, the animation (and, to some extent, the show hosts themselves) show a lot more respect than you'd expect from somebody as weak as Aquaman by actually having him put up a good fight and go down swinging, so I think saying "the animation doesn't even try to hide it" is kind of a lie compared to, say, Omni-Man utterly crushing Homelander without even trying, wherein that animation, by contrast, does show itself as the mismatch it is (Homelander doesn't even make it past the 2:30 minute mark of the fight commencing before being put down, and that's with Omni-Man simply deciding to toy with his food than just end the fight then and there like he was shown to be capable of in his finisher of Homelander).

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The results slide of Spongebob vs Superfriends Aquaman couldn't even hide just how utterly outmatched Aquaman was compared to his opponent, with his sole advantage listed as "Won the moral victory?" while his disadvantage being "Everything else lmao". Meanwhile, Spongebob's one single listed disadvantage? "Dumbass". Fittingly, the fight animation starts with Spongebob brushing off Aquaman's first few punches.

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Trunks vs Silver defies this trope. The reason why Xeno Trunks and Archie Silver were specifically chosen was to avert this, since due to the sheer gap in power between Trunks and Silver's canon selves, the fight would just be a repeat of Vegeta VS Shadow otherwise.

Boba Fett vs Predator: While the Fight itself was relatively even, the post fight analysis reveals that there was no other way it could have gone out. While the Predator was stronger than Boba and a veteran Yautja had centuries of combat experience compared to Fett's decades, Boba had it beat in nearly every other category. The Predator's ability to dodge light-speed lasers is matched by Boba's fights with Jedi that could also react to that kind of speed, nearly all of the Predator's equipment couldn't even scratch Boba's armour including it's Plasmacaster which while it could punch through most materials, Beskar could withstand Lightsabre strikes which are also plasma-based just like the Plasmacaster and Boba's Lightsabre could destroy all of the Predator's weapons. The only ways that the Predator could have killed Boba were it's Plasma Scythe and Nuclear Suicide Bomb, both of which Fett had means of negating; The former due to his preference for fighting at a distance and his jetpack keeping that distance from being closed and the latter could only kill Fett if he was at the epicentre of the blast, due to his jetpack and the bomb's 40 second long countdown he could easily get far enough from it that the explosive force is weakened to the level of a thermal detonator explosion which Fett's armour could withstand without issue. And the biggest factor of the fight is the scope of Fett and the Predator's usual quarry; While certainly deadly, Xenomorphs are little more than smarter than average animals whereas Jedi are just as smart as Fett and are strong enough to move starships as if they were made of paper with the Force. In the end it was only matter of time before the Predator failed in it's hunt.

Omni-Man vs. Homelander. To call this a Curb-Stomp Battle would be nice. Nolan’s superabilities and combat skill are way above Homelander’s, it’s pretty much described as a warrior fighting a bully. The entire battle Nolan has control of the fight, toying with Homelander. Homelander is able to land a few hits as he has a few abilities that can overpower Nolan (his heat vision and Sonic scream), but he makes the mistake of threatening Mark/Invincible to which Nolan makes good on his earlier threat of making Homelander eat his own heart before smashing his head in

Thor vs Vegeta: Vegeta's boast about having evolved beyond Gods turned out to be an empty threat against the strongest Avenger in one of the ugliest stomps of the show. Experience-wise, while Vegeta trained all his life, Thor has fought a wider arsenal of foes for millennia, giving him a distinct advantage. While the strength gap wasn't too bad compared to other fights, Thor was still ten times stronger, and this was from giving Vegeta benefit of the doubt. Ultra Ego's damage absorption could theoretically let him reach Thor's level, but with the ludicrous speed advantage Thor had, being 70 quadrillion times faster than Vegeta, this meant that Ultra Ego would get overwhelmed before attaining that level of power. Another major key factor in Thor's victory was how Mjolnir could absorb energy attacks, shutting down every one of Vegeta's ranged ki attacks. While Vegeta did have a way to absorb the energy back via Spirit Fission, Thor's speed advantage meant this likely wouldn't happen. That and Thor can just use Mjolnir to will the energy out of Vegeta. While Vegeta fought in the Tournament of Power for an hour, Thor has fought an army for over a month straight, giving him a stamina advantage. The final nail in the coffin was the comparison of their most powerful attacks; Hakai and the God-Blast. Hakai ended up being useless, as Thor has resisted being erased from existence, physically, spiritually, and temporally. The God-Blast on the other hand, was capable of killing Galactus, a being that can threaten the infinite multiverse, a feat no one in Dragon Ball has been able to match. Thor's information also notes that he is the current owner of the Odinforce, which wasn't taken into account during the verdict, implying that said stomp could've been even wider While Vegeta's pride let him put up a fight, the Prince of the Saiyans was completely outclassed by the Son of Odin in every single way.

Saitama vs Popeye: Saitama's inherent limits were broken, but as there was no suitable challenge to force him to grow, there was only so far he could improve his strength. To more accurately explain Saitama's tremendous brawn, his creator has described him as a shonen protagonist starting his journey with the strength at the end of it. As a generous estimate, Saitama's Serious Punches with which he deflected the Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is assumed to bear the least amount of effort he can muster. Scaling it to the highest recorded real world punch, this would put his highest striking strength at over 200 times greater than the Serious Punch. Undeniably impressive, but Popeye's spinach could create sprouts that reach neighboring stars and subsequently break them; and Popeye, by extension, would have power of this level after eating the spinach. Meanwhile, Popeye's own greatest accomplishments, such as occupying multiple points in space and tearing his own cartoon's film strip, simply defy any attempts at calculation. Even if Popeye could be killed in one punch, complete disintegration and the shutting down of reality are feats of destruction that Popeye has recovered from with the aid of spinach. Saitama, for how his physical prowess is incomparable in his series, is still from a relatively realistic world, whereas Popeye's operates on its own brand of logic. For that reason, Popeye had the sort of force only cartoon physics adhere to that would prove him to be a step above his competition.

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Korra vs Storm was so one-sided in Storm's favor that even the fight animation made no attempt to hide it, with Storm either dodging, countering, or brushing off most of Korra's attacks before blasting a hole in her head with no effort. Then while Korra is city level at best, Storm is planet level and Korra couldn't depower her with energybending because Storm's powers come from a different source from benders.

Dio vs Alucard is this despite a seemingly close fight animation. Alucard's destructive power is compared to an aircraft carrier while Dio's is to a meteor, Alucard's speed is measured in terms of the speed of sound while Dio's being faster than the speed of light, plus Alucard isn't actually immortal, he just has about 3 million extra lives, while Dio is situationally immortal. Even if Alucard was given his own technical immortality (which was canonically unable to be used with his own powers in the source material), the hosts simply posit it would result in at best a stalemate, and even then not really since Dio could just hypnotize Alucard, force him to reveal the source of his immortality, and reverse it.

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Just pulled this from the page since I'm personally not convinced it was a stomp:

• Dante vs Bayonetta turned out this way, it was decided that the only edge Bayonetta had against Dante was pure strength, and everything else from statistics to feats to weapons Dante either equaled or outright overshadowed her in. Having twice as many games as Bayonetta, Dante's weapon cache is twice the size of her's, and his Quicksilver technique completely cancelled out Bayonetta's Witch Time, her primary mechanic for turning fights around. Not only that, but Dante is literally nigh invulnerable, having survived way more damage than Bayonetta has ever had to, plus the only big finishers Bayonetta had available to her were her Wicked Weaves such as Gomorrah and Madama Butterfly, who although powerful, in the end are just big demons and nothing Dante hasn't been able to kill before without breaking a sweat. At the end of the fight Dante is no worse for wear (sure he has Bayonetta's katana in his chest, but impalement is nothing new to Dante) whereas Bayonetta was turned into Ludicrous Gibs by Lucifer and Yamato.

I'm not going to argue the outcome, and it was definitely not the closest match in DB history, but personally, I wouldn't go as far as calling it a stomp. While Dante edges Bayonetta out in most categories, as mentioned in the post-fight analysis, only the survivability and speed are MASSIVELY in Dante's favour. Categories like weaponry go to Dante as well, but in comparatively smaller margins.

I guess what I'm saying is, where do we draw the line on what's a curbstomp and what's not? There's been a lot of fights that were quite clearly stomps (ignoring the famous ones like Goku vs. Superman, He-Man vs. Lion-o, Shadow vs. Vegeta, etc.)) but we really need a good marker for where the line gets drawn.

Shortly before I removed the above entry, someone mentioned DK vs. Knuckles, and the more I think about it, that fight, in my mind, is a really good low water-mark. It's a fight where most of the categories were tipped heavily in favour of the winner, with a steady and reliable counter to whatever categories the loser had the edge in. DK won in strength, survival, close and long-range combat, Knuckles had speed which was countered by needing to be in point-blank range, etc.

Terminator vs. Robocop's another good example. Robocop annihilated Terminator in every way but speed, which in turn was countered by the jetpack. Or Iron Man vs. Luthor, both in how the normal suit was hard countered by the Warsuit while it, in turn, got annihilated by the Endo-Sym in every way.

With Dante vs. Bayo, at least in the rundown, there's a lot of categories where Dante has the edge but not to a massive, "no way in hell could he lose this" degree. Dante DOES counter Bayo's dodging really handily with the raindrop feat, and it's judged that even Bayo's strength probably had no way of getting past Dante's healing factor, but beyond that?

Just curious where we all stand on this, anyway. If we can come up with some consensus on where to draw the line, should be easier for this particular page going forward.

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Hmmmm... What do we consider as a Curb Stomp Battle? The winner holds NUMEROUS advantages (Like 4 out of 6, speed, strength, durability, versatility, hacks, and resistances) plus massive multipliers (At least in the hundreds at a minimum)? Would that be a good baseline for a Curb Stomp Battle?

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Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Misused, started by captainpat on Apr 5th 2020 at 10:00:11 PM

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Got a request to lock the page because of edit warring, and have done so. Edit requests should be filed here, thanks.

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15874066820A53936800&page=1

There's a short-term cleanup thread for this page. Too many entries on this page are of fights the hosts did not label as being stomps (A lot of them they explicitly call close match ups). Discuss in the thread which examples stay and which one should be cut.

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Perhaps we should clean this page up? At this point, we're listing almost every episode.

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Alright Here's one more discussion, how would we classify a Curbstomp? If we look into most Death Battles, we'd be sure to find some arguments on how one opponent had more in their favor to win. Take Sephiroth vs Vergil, Sephiroth's broken Healing Factor and Strength Feat, not to mention his experience of fighting people who are just as fast as, if not close to, as Vergil, while Vergil didn't seem to have anything that could beat Sephiroth. This could just be like Naruto vs Ichigo, but something's telling me Vergil isn't as outclass as it seems.

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I think some people are getting confused with Curbstomps and Foregone Conclusions, how would we define this. Would a Curbstomp pretty much be like one side lost with very little hope of winning, while Foregone Conclusions mean that one side literally had no hope of winning?

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