Shouldn’t there be a page for the Mag’har Orcs that we recruit in BFA?
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There should but since there's only one real character (Overlord Geya'rah) the question is if they should have their own page at this time or be placed with another? And if the later which page? Should they be placed within the Orgrimmar page or the Old Horde/Iron Horde page since other Mag'har (Kaz the Shrieker) are in that page as well.
Why were Balnazzar, Archimonde, Sargares, Kiljaeden and the Old Gods removed from Complete Monster? They technically do qualify. Balnazzar dupes a guy into murdering his own father and is responsible for corrupting the Scarlet Crusade, making him responsible for all their murders, Sargarus wants to kill all life and seems to take joy in it, Archimonde is the same, Kiljaeden corrupted the orcs and caused their crimes, while Deathwing murdered most of the blue flight, killed millions when he broke free, and has a sociopathic hatred of all non dragons, and the Old Gods are responsible for almost every atrocity in Azeroth's history (Deathwing's crimes, Loken's crimes, the War of the Shifting Sands) and do it purely for shits and giggles. They are all pure evil.
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Because Complete Monster is a Subjective Trope that we no longer want on main articles. Plus your Wall of Text made it absurdly intrusive in the page.
If I were to debate the actual points, however, most of those guys have a Freudian Excuse, which automatically disqualifies them. Loken and Deathwing were corrupted by the Old Gods, Kael'thas was driven mad by fel magic, Sargeras went mad and fell from grace; etc. The Old Gods are primal forces and presumably don't have a moral choice. In short, none of them satisfy the actual requirements of the trope.
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archimonde and kil'jaeden embraced power for the sake of it though. they have none. Kil'jaeden is a magificent bastard too, but he's still pretty damn evil. Archimonde kills for the hell of it. He definately qualifies, since he has no real excuse to speak of besides being a power hungry asshole.
So add them to the Monster.VideoGames entry and/or throw them in YMMV.Warcraft. That's why we have those pages.
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Also, Kil'jaeden is a Magnificent Bastard, which exempts someone from Complete Monster. Archimonde is the only one left who might qualify, but while he's certainly Eeeeeevil, he fails to stand out as remarkably worse than anyone else in the Legion.
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I think the Dragonflights should probably have Korialstrasz and Chronormu listed, since both seem pretty pretty deep in the lore (and in the case of Chromie, literally)
Shouldn’t there be a page for the Mag’har Orcs that we recruit in BFA?
I don't think we need this new faction page for Sylvanas and her followers. They've mostly been associated with the Forsaken in Undercity since the beginning of WOW. Them running off does not seem enough to me to warrant a new faction page just yet.
Should the mechagnomes go on the gnome page?
And should the Maghar like Gender flipped Thrall go on Iron Horde, their own page, or Org? Since Org is getting a bit crowded.
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They do in theory need their own page, but right now they only have one character. Put them in Org for now.
I am planning to restructure the pages for the gods of the franchise, seeing how we now know a lot more about how Warcraft cosmology works.
I planned originally for every big cosmic force to get their page, but I am not very sure if the Light should get one, seeing as it only has the naaru and noone else. Perhaps Elune could be put in the Light section but with Tyrande's arc it looks like she may also have a Void aspect.
Also, I am at a loss at how to organise the Void/Old Gods section. I am tempted to list all Void races first and the characters second but this is now how Warcraft page layout works.
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I'm back for more. I wanted to make a new page for the Pandaren, maybe all of Pandaria. Their separate pages in Horde and Alliance has too few characters to really justify them, and it would take some of the load off of the Others page.
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As I've said on the Others page, I do think Pandaria should get its own page because its races, themes, and history are so isolated from the rest of the lore. If it were me I would keep Wandering Isle denizens in Others, and keep Tushui and Huojin on Alliance and Horde pages (though I agree that they really don't have enough content to justify pages of their own), while bringing the rest (August Celestials included maybe) over to Pandarians and adding other notable races and factions. I mean, we still don't have any mogu except for Lei Shen and no jinyu or hozen except the ones in the Alliance and Horde, not even the Monkey King.
I still don't think they justify their own pages. Better to delete them and move it all to one section. Since the Wandering Isle has only three or so names to it, I think it should go with Pandaria as well. Just to clean it up.
At least the motion is seconded. I'd ask for an "all in favor, all opposed", but I doubt we'd get an answer.
Need some help cuz I'm new here, but shouldn't we create a specific page for the Class Orders? For thos that existed prior to Legion we just tell their story from their first appearance on.
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Okay, I've created it https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/WarcraftTheClassOrders
Now let's pull up our sleeves and start making it big fellas!
What is the definition of "minor character" in this context?
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Are the Highmountain Tauren (Huln, Mayla, Ebonhorn) prominent enough for me to make a section for them?
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I would say yes, probably under the Others page. Ebyssian could also be on the Dragonflights page.
Agreed. We might need to divide the Others page at some point though, maybe the characters from Pandaria could have their own page.
I was actually thinking of that too. It's been proposed before I think. I also propose maybe a Major Factions page along with a Pandaria page. For groups like the Argent Crusade, Scarlet Crusade, Ebon Blade, Earthen Ring, Council of Tirisfal, and Black Harvest.
"Neutral" would be more appropriate than "major" but otherwise I agree. Where would Zandalari/Nightborne/Highmountain go then? Should there be a "Broken Isles" page as well?
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So before I take any action, I'd like to ask. Would anyone complain if I create a new character Subpage for the Artifact Weapons? Every one of them has its own story, and a handful of them are sentient beside.
Should we maybe add a separate character page for the characters in the movie? Some of them may be a bit different and there's also some original characters in there.
It seems like the Night Elf characters, even their entire faction, suffered serious Character Derailment as World of Warcraft progressed. Being immortal, along with the Draenei, they would have the most combat experience and could be among the best warriors, yet this is not addressed or depicted in the game. As for their characters, Tyrande's skill as a tactician (successfully leading their military for thousands of years, and her more reasonable tendencies) and reasonable traits all but disappear by Mists of Pandaria, which looks like a serious case of Character Derailment. Furion also pretty much usurps leadership away from her instead of sharing it like they did in Warcraft 3 then does almost nothing. As for Shandris, Tyrande's second in command and adopted daughter, she seems to be Put on a Bus. Why was this done? New writers? Character development taken in a negative direction or, as I suspect, Blizzard trying to discredit the Night Elves, especially Tyrande, and shill Varian and Stormwind?
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It's my understanding that is the discussion page for Warcraft characters; ergo I thought this would be a valid place to bring that up. I sympathize if you're saying that to try and avoid a flame war, I am wondering whether Character Derailment and/or Creator Backlash, should be added to the Night Elves character page.
Actually, discussion pages are for discussing the page content only. Work discussion goes into the forum threads on the work.
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Thank you for explaining that; I won't add those tropes. As for the forums, how do I get to those?
So, I've been thinking and wondering that we might need to establish just how big or small we would want the character images on these pages to be, as it would make it look neater and cleaner. I know I've personally been struggling with the images way back when I used to add character images, as I couldn't figure out what I wanted the standard width and height to be. Anybody with a good idea on this matter?
Should we add a "% %" Note to tell people not to edit in Hearthstone?
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Why?
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It seems people aren't getting that Hearthstone is completely irrelevant to the warcraft verse at large.
Would you put the way garchomp is presented in the TCG into it's character page?
What about the way Optimus Prime plays in the licensed game for the movieverse?
I was wondering if it would be nice to have a list of races and their tropes somewhere around this. Maybe as a chapter in the characters session.
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To alleviate this, I split off the current content along the lines of the current folder structure. New examples should be placed in the appropriate sub-pages.
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Shouldn't the Character Development example on Garrosh really be Character Derailment? We don't really see any of his supposed development as he's still the stupid, racist, violent jack ass all through Wrath of the Lich King, where he was happy to admit that he would slaughter children just for being a race from the opposite faction. How did he become willing to protect children of the enemy faction? We don't see this. All we see is how he was before, during Wrath, and after, during Cataclysm.
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Not to mention he's ''still' a violent, racist warmonger who sends his army on a kill-all-resistance war of conquest after claiming all of Kalimdor as the Horde's dominion.
It's character development because he has less hatedom among fans now and people are starting to understand him.
Should we add images to the characters or keep them as they are?
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The Artifact Weapons character page has been deleted, and I get the reason why. Problem is, some of the artifact weapons were characters, most notably Aluneth, Xal'atath, and the Skull of the Man'ari/Thal'kiel, and now they no longer have entries when they could have been moved to other pages (Aluneth in Arcane, Xal'atath with the Void, and... not sure where to put the skull, as while it's associated with fel it's an enemy of the Burning Legion). Is there a way to retrieve the entries for those characters from the deleted page, or will they have to be recreated from scratch?
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