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Oct 11th 2018 at 11:05:40 AM •••

Who is the one who keeps deleiting my adds in the main characters page

Oct 7th 2018 at 1:02:03 AM •••

it\'s how it says in the webcomic page he doesn\'t lack finesse or skill,he just doesn\'t need it, but he has it

Oct 6th 2018 at 9:25:56 PM •••

i think saitama should be added the category of strong and skilled,sure he doesn\'t have proper martial arts training and lacks coordination but he is capable of control his power so much that he can beat normal humans without killing them or leaving them severaly injuried. also other examples would be his fight with genos where he destroy a mountain with the wind of his punch leaving genos completely unnarmed and his fight with garou where he uses skillfull uses of the invorenment and his speed to confused him and finally beat him,he also has good aiming skill since he jump from moon to earth and endeed in the same place where he was kicked off. his fighting style is merely street brawling but he knows how to fight with finesse and skill,he doesn\'t need it but he knows so i think it should be added that category but leaving the unskilled but strong category.if someone is fine with my opinion i would like if he could edited and add it,thank you.

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Oct 6th 2018 at 11:12:58 PM •••

He really isn\'t skilled. He has no martial arts training, and the superhuman feats that he can pull off are just faster/stronger versions of normal human movements. Word Of God states that Saitama lacks proper coordination, plus he\'s nearly lost his balance a few times during fights with Sonic and Genos. Compared to almost everyone else in this setting, Saitama is just a goof amateur that happens to be a Game Breaker.

Edited by TheOrbOfConfusion
Oct 7th 2018 at 1:00:07 AM •••

i know he doesn\'t have martial arts training i think i said in my post what i\'m talking is that he is skilled in his own didn\'t you read what i posted? but he has proved to be skilled in his own , being capable of make his power just go through genos like that and other things i adeed and you say he nearly lost his balance well that\'s because he wasn\'t serious is why i said that let the unskilled but strong category since is true he lacks coordination and all but he knows how to fight with skill and finesse when he is serious besides just remember he wasn\'t always that powerfull remember when he was just a normal human, while training saitama already was fighting differents criminals and monsters ,he was taugh by experience how it says and yeah i know he doesn\'t have formal martial arts training but that doesn\'t say he doesn\'t know how to fight saitama is a very capable fighter maybe not as skilled as a martial artist but he is skilled in his own that\'s why i think he should get in the strong and skilled category.you don\'t need martial arts to be skilled

Oct 7th 2018 at 1:15:19 AM •••

if he wasn\'t skilled he would likely destroy the earth just for walking as i tell he can be skilled if he need it and he is not a bad fighter neither

Oct 7th 2018 at 3:35:03 PM •••

ok, who did edited the page and took the strong and skilled category i\'ve added

Oct 9th 2018 at 10:04:15 AM •••

the edit page is blocked someone can explain me why?

Oct 11th 2018 at 12:33:11 PM •••

Please learn to edit properly before you try to add things to the wiki. Even if they\'re correct. Which, frankly, they\'re not.

Saitama isn\'t (usually) a lumbering oaf destroying everything around him accidentally, but compared to his power, his \"skill\" is minuscule. His reflexes, speed, and most of his coordination are amazing, but his technique, finesse, and skill aren\'t really much of anything. Bang specifically calls him out on this and it\'s essentially irrelevant because his power is so high.

Dec 1st 2018 at 4:40:59 PM •••

So why was my edit reverted? I was mining stuff from the manga

Dec 1st 2018 at 8:09:56 PM •••

Because the issue of whether Saitama is Strong And Skilled or Unskilled But Strong has already been settled, both in this very discussion and in one with a previous user who made multiple accounts in attempts to force their edits — the wiki doesn\'t process links properly on discussion pages, but if you search \"one punch man edit war\" over on Ask The Tropers you\'ll see it.

Saitama is Unskilled But Strong because he is defined much, much, much more by his strength than his skill. Strong And Skilled is for characters who have both traits in more or less the same abundance.

If Saitama had taken those martial arts lessons from Bang, he\'d be Strong And Skilled, but he didn\'t and isn\'t.

Edited by TheOrbOfConfusion
Dec 2nd 2018 at 11:40:55 AM •••

So why is the example still on the manga page?

Because, at the time, I was adding stuff from there to here and I figured that it fits. Mostly because he went through an insane amount of exercise to get that strong, and I figured that the skilled part came from him restraing himself. The guy could easily destroy an building by sending someone flying through it, but he prefers to just turns them into an oversized bloodstain, instead.

By the way, when will there be an fix for the discussion pages ruining links?

Dec 2nd 2018 at 4:11:52 PM •••

It looks like that example was added by the same user, who has since been suspended. Looks like the mods missed that one.

Larkmarn\'s comment — the one four spaces above this one — should clear this up. He doesn\'t lack skill; he just doesn\'t possess it at any level near his strength.

Dec 2nd 2018 at 4:52:19 PM •••

Are you sure about this has to be equal in representation in order to qualify? Because Sonic\'s entry on that page mentions his strength and his swordsmanship. But so far, he only used an sword in one game that isn\'t based off the Olympics. But overall, he still relies on his speed and strength.

Dec 2nd 2018 at 4:53:42 PM •••

And what\'s up with the backwards slashes that appears every time I use an apostrophe?

Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:14:45 PM •••

You\'re welcome to dispute or delete that example if you think he\'s Unskilled But Strong or Weak But Skilled. TV Tropes is a wiki. There are improper examples all the time.

As for the apostrophes, your guess is as as good as mine.

Edited by TheOrbOfConfusion
Dec 8th 2018 at 8:11:13 PM •••

So can I get an second opinion on this?

Because I\'ve reread the manga up to Chapter 74; and while he normally solves most of his fights with an single punch, there are times when his battles aren\'t completely one-sided. Like how he can easily anticipate and dodges the attacks of Genos and Speed of Sound Sonic. And he\'s also capable of quickly reacting to Sonic\'s group of illusions by jumping side-to-side and unleashing an series of punches as opposed to just standing there and punching him in the same way he usually fights.

Dec 10th 2018 at 6:52:41 AM •••

See, I read those as less \"skill\" and more \"being so far out of their power level that they\'re trivial.\"

Saitama\'s got a decent level of coordination, coupled with absurd power and speed. It\'s telling that none of his training involves anything that would raise skill in any way, shape, or form.

The real kicker, though, is Bang. Saitama outright defies the trope by refusing Boxing Lessons For Superman because he doesn\'t want to be Strong And Skilled.

Dec 11th 2018 at 6:22:52 PM •••

Speaking of Bang, Genos also refused his offer and he listed as Strong And Skilled; even though he more or less fights the same way as him (excluding the invulnerability and energy attacks).

Dec 11th 2018 at 8:42:47 PM •••

From that very character sheet:

Whereas Saitama has raw, undeniable strength, Genos has everything else. That is, looks, intelligence, dedication, money, style, and appeal.

One doesn\'t want the lessons (Saitama), one doesn\'t need them (Genos).

You aren\'t responding to my and Larkmarn\'s concerns, and I\'m starting to think it\'s because you can\'t.

Edited by TheOrbOfConfusion
Dec 12th 2018 at 6:11:19 AM •••

Also discussed it here.

See, I take issue with you saying they more or less fight the same way. Genos fights by analyzing his opponent, and using various rockets and Recoil Boosts to maximize his velocity to do the most damage. That\'s a much more intricate style even if the end result (\"Punch the dude\") is roughly the same. And in addition to being a more skillful style, Genos is much, much, much, much, much less strong so he demonstrates the two attributes in a much more even way.

Dec 21st 2018 at 6:59:19 PM •••

Well, i think Rabid\'s right, Saitama, has skill as much as strength and just cause a character doesn\'t have Martial Arts doesn\'t mean they don\'t have skill; Remember when Saitama broke Sonic\'s sword with his teeth, or his endurance to take damage. I would say personally that would require skill and to say Genos has skill and Saitama does not it wouldn\'t make sense.

Dec 22nd 2018 at 6:35:55 PM •••

^ This is pretty suspicious, coming from a zero-history account that\'s typing a lot like croga.

Unskilled But Strong and Weak But Skilled do not argue that their characters completely lack one quality or the other; it just states that, when comparing those qualities to each other, one is generally more prevalent.

That\'s not to say that \"skilled\" means \"martial arts training\" — it\'s more like \"thought.\" Genos qualifies as Strong And Skilled because he has both computer-based analysis and technological firepower in more or less the same abundance. His in-battle narration is either him analyzing the situation or using Call Your Attacks to announce a big-ass blow.

Obviously, Saitama isn\'t winning his fights by accident; he\'s still deciding when and how to hit his opponents. But the amount of thought he needs to win his fights is absolutely miniscule compared to the strength he\'s using.

You\'re looking at \"skill\" as a compliment here. This trope necessitates looking at it as a choice, a strategy, whatever. We\'re not writing these entries as an excuse for Gushing About Shows You Like.

Edited by TheOrbOfConfusion
Dec 22nd 2018 at 6:43:11 PM •••

Wow, I never knew that paranoia was an thing, on this site.

Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:09:49 PM •••

What\'s so suspicious about giving a statement and for Genos being skillful and saying Saitama isn\'t is just plain unfair considering Saitama has battled so many enemies before Genos was involved.

Edited by Motivatedzombie256
Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:11:32 PM •••

Yeah, what do you have against new users who happen to like this show?

Dec 25th 2018 at 9:08:34 PM •••

In a polite and respectful way i think if you like Genos that much then fine, but to have Saitama not be skilled it just feels like a biased opinion and it\'s like saying Genos is superior to Saitama in that trait. Saitama, has shown his fair share of goofiness or sluggish movements in events, but it was only because he was bored or never really fought someone of his caliber; if an opponent was equal or posed a threat than Saitama would use every skill he\'s got down to Speed, Strength, intellect, and more. I believe Saitama should fit in \"Strong and Skilled\" in that respect, since Genos is there why not Saitama.

Dec 30th 2018 at 3:19:58 PM •••

Hi croga. Welcome back. Bye croga.

For future reference, Rabid Tanker and motivatedzombie256 have been banned due to sockpuppet/meatpuppeting.

Edited by Larkmarn
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