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I've sent a notifier.
He also seems to be deleting spoiler markup on the recap pages. While spoiler policy on this site says not to use spoilers on recap pages, he's also removing a lot of examples which seem to be okay. In any case, he needs to give reasons for deleting entries or that might justify restoring the deletion.
I swear I recognize that name, I think I sent them a notifier for something at some point. I'll do some digging and see.
Edit: No, it was this query
I remember them from.
I'm just cleaning up trivia tropes, YMMV tropes, spoilers for future episodes (Which you aren't supposed to put on a recap page) and unneeded natter that don't belong on a main recap page. I'll make sure to state that from now on. But someone needed to do it, cause the recap pages for this show are a mess. And I'm going through them as I watch the show for the first time (Which is quite funny)
Edited by JohnnyBeBad
Well for example you deleted this from YMMV.Community S 1 E 22 The Art Of Discourse:
- "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: Britta being the owner of an iPod Nano in 2014 becomes this when you find out how she gets it: Pierce gives it to her after he dies. Moreso now that 2014 actually is the year that season 6 was picked up!
- Harsher in Hindsight: "Foosball And Nocturnal Vigilantism" would show that this is not the first time Jeff's been bullied.
They explain there context, so why did you delete them?
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Cause like I said, those are spoilers for future episodes which you aren't supposed to put on a recap page. Pretty sure the future episode spoiler thing counts for the YMMV part of a recap page as well.
Edited by JohnnyBeBad
Then shouldn't you move the Trivia and YMMV entries to the show's main Trivia and YMMV pages?
Also, there's still the issue of you not leaving reasons for deleting entries. Deletions always require a reason for removal, otherwise another editor would be justified to restoring them.
I said I'm gonna use the reason stater thing from now on.
...Also, I did not think about moving them to the regular pages. I'll make sure to remember that.
Is the thing about avoiding spoilers for future episodes an actual rule? I can't find it anywhere.
It's on Spoilers Off. I've actually made an inquiry about it, because I don't agree with it.
v this is what it says on the page:
- Recap pages. These are designed to give detailed information about a work. Someone who wants both all of the details and not to see spoilers is not someone we can help. Details about future episodes should not be on an episode's recap page to begin with; those go in the page for the episode in which they appear. Foreshadowing should be handled delicately; again, mention only the details in the episode in question and not what specifically is being foreshadowed.
But Spoilers Off means "no spoiler markup", not "no spoilers".
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Yes, but on that page it says that "Details about future episodes should not be on an episode's recap page to begin with; those go in the page for the episode in which they appear."
Well that's, uh...inconsistent. Probably not a good idea to use the rule that usually means "no hiding spoilers" and use it for a scenario where spoilers can't be given period.
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Yes then what is the disagreement here? nevermind.
Bump. He's still deleting things without giving edit reasons. He often deletes Word of God potholes because they're technically trivia. My understanding is we are allowed to use those as potholes in an example if they are legitimate, you just not allowed to list as examples on the main page.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Trivia items are allowed to be potholed inline, yes. That the warning shows up anyway is due to using the same code as the YMMV warning.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
bump.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
I would send him another notifier. And if I’m being honest, his responses so far here have been rude.
If you're talking about my edits for "Modern Warfare" and "English As A Second Language", I gave a reason in the thingy. And also, I don't see why I'm getting yelled at for deleting trivia potholes on a main page. When there's a big blue question mark obscuring text, logic dictates it shouldn't be there.
Also, how am I being rude?
Edited by JohnnyBeBad
Actually I was talking about your edits on warhammer. And some other recent edits such as that one. You are allowed to reference Word of God in trope examples, you're just not supposed to list Word of God as an example on the page.
For example
Random Trope: Word of God states blah blah blah... This is okay
Word of God: blah blah blah... This is not okay.
Edited by jjjj2 You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
I'm pretty sure that in-line potholes to Trivia items are allowed on main pages. If you want to get rid of the blue question mark, you can add [[invoked]] to the end of the line and it will suppress the Trivia marker. If the example text contains the word "in-universe", that will also suppress it.
It's a known issue and the result of copy-pasting the code for the YMMV icon (which actually should be marked on main pages, as main pages are not about people's opinions), but it won't be fixed until active development resumes.
Edited by Serac
"This entry is trivia, which is cool and all, but not a trope. On a work, it goes on the Trivia tab."
You show me in there where it says "But sometimes it's okay". I'm not doing anything wrong by deleting trivia examples where they don't belong. And frankly jjjj2, I'd like you to quit stalking my edits just to complain about me.
Edited by JohnnyBeBad
Johnny, they're just trying to help you and the wiki out. No one is looking for a fight here.
What Goes Where on the Wiki says that Trivia items can be potholed anywhere as long as they're not shoehorned.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
To be clear, you can wiki link YMMV items in the description of the example, but they cannot be examples on the main page. jjj2 is correctly describing the situation.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Johnny, it's not "stalking your edits" to make sure that you follow the same rules that everyone here has to follow.
I repeat, "This entry is trivia, which is cool and all, but not a trope. On a work, it goes on the Trivia tab." So yeah, if I see a misplaced trivia/YMMV trope causing the aforementioned obnoxious blue question mark, I'm fixing it. Which last I checked is not breaking a rule of any kind.
Edited by JohnnyBeBad
Yes, you are.
From What Goes Where on the Wiki, in the Trivia section, emphasis mine
Those little icons are glitched and only applicable when it's an example on the page, not when these items are just referenced. It's not like they're subjective- they're just not tropes and can't be used as such, but there's no basis at all for removing them. People have explained this multiple times by now.
Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I'm done with this conversation. If I see them, I'm fixing them. Good day.
...Bruh, Rage Quitting the discussion after people point out the rules to you does not a good troper make.
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He's also Rage Quitting and still indicating he's going to be removing them, which is doubly bad.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
It's not an entry.
A Word of God entry looks like this:
- Word of God: blah blah blah
If it looks like this:
- Some Trope: Blah blah Word of God
that is not an entry for Word of God, that is an entry for Some Trope. The Word of God link within that entry is not an entry.
Having a link to trivia within an entry does not make that entry trivia.
Edited by Twiddler
And I repeat: You can suppress the notification with the [[invoked]] tag.
Bumping, since he rage quit and promised to keep removing them.
Edited by jjjj2 You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
He made a few edits today, some of which included removing YMMV potholes from character pages.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
That's fine, as explained it's bad when he's removing trivia potholes.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
For the record, Flame Bait uses the same code as Trivia and YMMV, so the text for those three isn't necessarily accurate. For Flame Bait, it says to move wicks to "the Flame Bait tab", which is false because Flame Bait is supposed to be deleted entirely.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
bump.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
^You might want to use the Report Page button at this point, because it looks like the mods missed this one.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Which is where?
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
The blue button on the side of work and trope pages, under the "Page Info" section.
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Alright I reported the page where he deleted valid trivia potholes and linked to this att query.
Edited by jjjj2 You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Will call him in.
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Johnny Be Bad has been deleting
lots of things without giving edit reasons. Most specifically on Recap.Community pages. A lot of times I think he is deleting things that should be deleted, but a lot of his deletions are questionable and as I said he doesn't give edit reasons.
Edited by jjjj2