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I think those should be moved to the appropriate pages (for example, the What Could Have Been entries on Trivia.Sonic Adventure can be moved to the dedicated subpage).

That said, on the YMMV pages there should still be an entry to the dedicated subpage, otherwise editors won't know there's a series-wide subpage.

I often see it done like this:

• Alternate Character Interpretation: Has its onw subpage.

^^^ The problem with that is that many tropers don't realize there are dedicated subpages. Series like Pokemon have over a dozen different pages and most don't like to GoddamnedBats.Pokemon, WhatCouldHaveBeen.Pokemon, and other commonly used tropes. So people put examples on the work's pages. Is the solution to make dozens of redirects?

^ That isn't allowed.

I will reword the previous posts;

Series, like Pokemon, with dedicated subpages for single tropes should have an entry for that trope on the appropriate page, either indexing said subpage or by listing the trope in alphabetical order as normal.

For example; YMMV.Pokemon should either index AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.Pokemon or list it alphabetically with a link to the subpage. There is no rule against linking subpages from the appropriate location on the work page, and this does not require the creation of redirect pages.

Note that YMMV.Pokemon hasn't had any examples added since you changed it to * AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/{{Pokemon}} See here]].

^ I forgot I made that edit. I'll delete it because it's not allowed.

Pokemon was just an example because it's a popular work with many sub-pages. There are many other works with the same issue.

Pages can do like YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog by listing the subpages, but that'd need to be done on all YMMV pages for that work.

^ ...Since when is the "See Here" thing not allowed? Cite the rule because clearly none of us have heard of it.

Yeah, I've seen it before and I've even added similar "Developer's Foresight: See its page [[DevelopersForesight.Example here]]." Nobody's said anything against it that I've seen.

I mean, the only alternative would be to put it in comment-out markup but that would cause spacing issues on the page and also make editors go through unnecessary hoops to add an example.

^^ It's not supposed to be there, if there's no purpose. Something like showing a subpage of the main pokemon work instead of a subwork would likely be considered with purpose, but just making one for that own work's subpage doesn't really have a reason to happen.

^^ Mods have mentioned it here before. It's considered wrong to redirect to pages like that. I can't find the threads, though. There really should be a way to search your ATT threads.

First of all, that does not use the redirect markup, so it is misleading to describe it as a redirect.

Secondly, I think you've mixed up Remember That This Is A Wiki (which says not to reference other examples on the same page) with directing users to subpages. There is no rule against linking to subpages and by not linking to the subpage you prevent people from finding the subpage in the first place.

Especially if it's for a page that doesn't show up on the header; if you can only access it via drop-down list, the chances are low that people will find it without being directed to it.

I think that the Work/Recap YMMV discussion would be a good place to discuss matters of YMMV policy on a Work or Instalment level. I originally started it to discuss whether character specific YMMV items needed to be copied to the work and the recap pages, but its purpose has expanded.

^^^ I saw it mentioned on another ATT thread just a few weeks ago that it was incorrect to do examples like this:

• Alternative Character Interpretation: The series has its own page.

Haven't been able to find evidence supporting that, and how do you expect to fulfill the Cross Wicking rule without linking to the subpage? The trope page links to the subpage, therefore the work page must do the same thing.

I found one of the threads that mentioned they should be deleted.

^ Pages like Alternative Character Interpretation don't get cross-wicked much, if ever.

But we're not talking about redirects.

Yeah, Fighteer says in this thread that it's not redundant. It looks like we'd want these notes so that people don't add examples to the wrong place. We want readers to find these subpages...