Have a question about how the TVTropes wiki works? No one knows this community better than the people in it, so ask away! Ask the Tropers is the page you come to when you have a question burning in your brain and the support pages didn't help.
It's not for everything, though. For a list of all the resources for your questions, click here. You can also go to this Directory thread
for ongoing cleanup projects.
If an example doesn't fit the trope description then feel free to delete it, and leave an edit reason explaining why.
I would leave it in as a downplayed example, because she is explicitly a succubus and she's basically a G-Rated version of the trope and certainly modeled after it, even if she doesn't tick every box.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Are you sure? Because I prefer it to meet all the qualifications. Otherwise it just feels like we're desperate for content if we kept listing aversions and downplayed examples.
Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break
The trope description is very explicit that it's about demons who feed by having sex. It's not a trope about succubi or incubi in general, and also mentions that a traditional succubus or incubus doesn't necessarily fit the trope. So I'd say that even though Morrigan is explicitly called a succubus, she doesn't fit the trope.
So, do I have an greenlight to run my woodchipper or should I wait?
Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break
Do we have a trope for "g-rated" succubi and incubi? If not it may be worth looking into.
^^ I would hang fire a bit, there seems to be multiple viewpoints on the matter. We'll come to a consensus eventually though/
@Harpie Siren, there's Cute Monster Girl.
Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break
I'm not sure how consistent that part of the lore is — like a lot of fighting games, they tend to play it fast and loose with something that a lot of players will never even look at from game to game, and then there's also the differences between adaptations. My understanding is that the Aensland succubi don't have to feed on sexual energy, just pleasure and excitement, but most succubi in the setting do, and the Aenslands still could if they wanted to.
I think it's a winking way of Getting Crap Past the Radar, because she's the Fanservice-iest character in a game that's in no way shy about fanservice. The way the "liquid" secreted by characters when they dream can be stolen by a succubus is pretty much a direct reference to the medieval explanation for how "sinful" nocturnal emissions were the work of a succubus's visit.
So long story short, I think the Morrigan example should stand, because she was pretty heavily sexualized for the time and that opened the door to much more overtly sexual characters in the twenty-odd years since.
Edited by Unsung
One question, is there any statement about what kind of dream she eat? It isn't uncommon in Japanese fiction featuring succubus (both R18+ and lower) that while she only feed on emotion from the dream with little to no physical contact, the said dream is of lewd nature.
If that isn't the case, I still think it should be count as subversion since she's still a succubus.
I'm pretty sure that she's THE originator of succubus character with wings on her waist, which is popular depiction in Japan.
Edited by Kuruni
I don't know, Wikia is kind of vague about this.
Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break
Bump.
Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break
Seems like a work specific question that should be asked here
.
I am a stakeholder and I need some clarity as for what should (and should not be) included in this trope as well.
@Septimus: To me this is not a work-specific question.
EDIT: I started a Trope Talk thread on the general issue.
So I was skimming through the Horny Devils page and I noticed that the Darkstalkers page is kind of incorrect. As in, there's no sex involved, Morrigan normally "eats" dreams and the thrill of battle to stay alive as opposed to just draining someone's soul by sex (like most of the examples on that page). I was thinking about deleting it for not fitting in with the trope's description, but I figured that it would be better if I asked here first.