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Wiki guideline is that first official English title is preferred for anime and manga.

I'm the one who did Magical Girl Apocalypse, and have made it a little pet project to get such migrations done when I have the opportunity. On an official level, How to Create a Work's Page has at the very bottom that "TV Tropes is an English-language wiki, so we prefer to use the English titles where applicable. So if the work has an official localized title, use the English title for the page and add the non-English title as a redirect."

On a personal level, I think it just makes more sense to use the official English when able. Especially for titles with Overly Long Titles. I think more peoples' eye would be caught by Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon instead of Dungeon Ni Deai O Motomeru No Wa Machigatteiru No Darou Ka.

As for Gakuen Alice, I haven't done anything with that page so I can't comment beyond thinking I've seen that for the US manga. Not sure about the US anime so maybe it used Alice Academy.

I hit hte pause button and thew in the point that "Gakuen Alice" seems to be the official English for every prospective cut except for Main.Alice Academy

I moved everything to Alice Academy about a year ago thinking that it was the official title for some reason, sorry... I should have payed attention. I'll just move it back to Gakuen Alice

There's a discussion thread here https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=TearJerker.GakuenAlice#92923 if you want to chime in as at all. One person said a cable channel used Alice academy though i haven't found it if so. I did get mixed results confirming the official English for the anime, but I'm reasonably sure it's gakuen Alice there too

The channel you're talking about is Animax. The problem is that the series only aired with that English title in Asian countries, never in the Western English-speaking countries. So while the title is official, it may only apply for the Asian countries where it premiered.

So for our purposes Gakuen Alice is the proper English?

Technically, that's just the transliterated Japanese name, but yes, we'll have to go with that one until it gets a proper English name in the Western countries.

That's the thing (and source of the confusion): Gakuen Alice is the "proper English name in the Western countries." The Other Wiki and places where you'd buy the series all refer to it as Gakuen Alice. You pick up the manga in a book store the English translated book will be titled Gakuen Alice

I've declined the cut requests (save for the always pointless Main/ redirect). This needs discussion to sort out.

^^^ I don't get it. Even if it's not released in Western Countries as such, "Alice Academy" is technically an official English title, since the anime aired in those Asian countries is English dubbed. And didn't someone once mention in ATT that we should use English titles whenever possible, even if it's not official?

^ Is there a reason why you declined the request on the Heartwarming subpage, though? The only "entry" is a URL to mangareader (which I'm pretty sure is not allowed).

^ I personally hadn't taken a close look at every single sub page when i hit the cut pause buttons so that may have been my bad.

As for the first question, the series was released in western countries, specifically the US, and it was released as Gakuen Alice. The only official release source that apparently does it differently is animax and i couldn't find the series on the website to confirm firsthand.

No one is disputing that Alice Academy is a legit translation, just not the one that was used by the majority of companies that actually sold the series in the US.

^ Well, that's the point I'm kinda disputing here. The rules say that we use official English titles when they are available. It doesn't actually specify that those "official English title" must come from the US or other Western Countries.

Both the anime and manga for Gakuen Alice is released as Alice Academy in my country, so I've always assumed that it was the English title.

^True. I'm going by US since that's where I'm located and also where the site is based (servers in California if I recall another ATT post correctly.

To be honest, I'm not overly fussed about using Gakuen or Academy. So long as it's an official title and meets with general approval.

As mentioned already, I believe in using the English names as much as possible and one reason I didn't mention is that it's so people can find the series in official capacity. Though English titles being more attention grabbing for a non Japanese speaker is the primary reason, which is why I'm ultimately fine either way in this case as long as there's consensus. I mainly interfered in the Cuts because there was, from my viewpoint, room for debate on which was correct.

EDIT: Set up a proper discussion page here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Manga.AliceAcademy#92943

~Candi — it is not first official translation. It is most recent official English translation.

Later releases trump older releases (name usually kept as a redirect) because a newer release probably has a more-accurate-to-source translation. Not always, but more frequently than the other way around.

Put the page on Gakuen Alice. Alice Academy is not an Official English Title for our purposes because it's not a title it's ever been released under in an English speaking country, which is what we mean by Official English Title.