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Kind of a weird example to downplay an infamous ethnic cleansing campaign. Even most modern scholars who don't think it was a genocide per say do agree that a large portion of it was intentional or at least was taken advantage of for ethnic cleanising. So it's an outright lie.
Also pretty suspicious to add it after various European countries start to recognise it.
Edited by miraculous "That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure that the fact that they stole everything the Ukranians could eat and just let them starve in extremely horrific conditions is enough to at least say that there was malice involved, even if it wasn't an outright genocide effort. It wasn't just Stalin being an idiot with "bad policies".
Edited by WarJay77 Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessYeah, cut that shit.
Yeah, this is either catastrophic ignorance of the event at best or blatant atrocity denial at worst. I vote to cut as well.
This indeed reads like Holodomor denial to me. Absolutely cut the entry for now, and maybe check to see if this troper has made other ROCEJ-y entries.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining | Troper WallI did, but they don't edit often and I haven't found anything else that stands out
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessGo ahead and send a ROCEJ notifier and remove the entry for now. They haven't received any ROCEJ notifiers.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Got it. Maybe we should keep an eye on them in the future in case they do make similar edits.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining | Troper WallIt's gone. I sent the notifier too.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO
This entry on The Holodomor was recently added to the Dated History page:
Now, it's definitely true that the famine may have been "merely" the result of bad agricultural policy rather than deliberately engineered by Stalin's regime. However, the Soviet government's response (selling food that could have been used to help victims to foreign countries and actively attempting to cover up what was happening) means that even if the famine wasn't intentional, it can't be called a tragic but innocent mistake. Moreover, the fact that it coincided with attempts to target Ukrainian cultural identity and the fact that Ukrainian-majority areas even outside Ukraine suffered disproportionately during the famine both heavily suggest that Stalin took advantage of it even if he didn't deliberately set out to cause it.
I'm going to give Ephrom The Josine the benefit of the doubt since I have no reason to automatically assume they wrote this to push some kind of agenda, but this entry nevertheless comes off as lacking in nuance and (especially in regard to current events) potentially insensitive. Still, if they're willing to talk things over, I'm willing to hear them out.