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First off, tortoiseshell cats are not breeds, it just the coloring pattern they have. Most cats are simply domestic short or long hair breed. So all that can go.
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Yeah, that's a misunderstanding of the trope. "Breed" in this case refers to species when offspring are produced by an Interspecies Romance; male tortoiseshell cats are completely inapplicable to it.
Also aversions should only be listed when the trope is contextually expected even without explicit setup (Omnipresent Tropes, for an obvious example of this). "X happening is categorically an aversion of Y trope" doesn't make a lot of sense for any values of X and Y.
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Go ahead and revert that and the related changes.
It's certainly important on this website, given that we have Artistic License — Biology.
Interestingly, one of the examples changed (the one for An American Tail) was for Artistic License – Biology rather than Animal Gender-Bender. I've already reverted that one.
I also found this in the real life folder on Gender Equals Breed:
This is a played with example with calico and tortoiseshell cats, as, because of the genetics of their colorings, they're usually female, with male ones being a rarity with the odds being 1/1000-1/3000. Similarly, you get red tabby cats, with 80% being male and 20% being female.
I don't think they added that, but it might explain why they think male calicos are an aversion of that trope rather than Animal Gender-Bender or Artistic License – Biology...
Edited by fragglelover
Since February, the Playing With page for Animal Gender-Bender literally lists the tabby/calico cat situation as a downplayed example. It can fit there.
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Calico/torties are a real life thing, we shouldn't be playing with/subverting/averting/deconstructing basic biology.
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I'm just wondering if this is an actual problem we were having on the page. Usually if we have to include a preemptive edit note about something it's because it was causing a problem, like the thing I went to TRS with years ago with people misusing BFG to mean Wave-Motion Gun or trying to count the Dovahkiin as a Draconic Humanoid.
There were several examples of male calico/Tortoiseshell cats on the page before the troper in question added the note and removed most of them (one involving Warrior Cats remains on the page), as well as examples on various work/character pages.
I've managed to revert the changes made to some (not all) of the pages (someone else did Litterbox Comics), but that's why I haven't reverted the edits on Animal Gender-Bender itself. I'm on mobile, and it would take awhile to replace every removed example back to where it was...
Sorry.
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The removal of examples about calicos/torties seems to be valid, although the warnings are not necessary. Real life animals cannot not have "gender-bender" examples; it makes no sense, and they most certainly cannot have artistic license examples. Real animals are by definition real; they cannot subvert or avert anything.
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Amour Le Fou has edited Animal Gender-Bender to leave this commented-out note here
:
Note: Do not add fictional examples of male calico or tortoiseshell cats unless it is depicted as being a common thing In-Universe. Calico and tortoiseshell males do exist, but they either have the genetic anomaly of XXY chromosomes, which are usually sterile, or are chimeras,
mosaics,
or have somatic mutations, which are usually fertile; all three are extremely rare (only 1 in 3000 torties and calicos are male) and extremely valuable (though only chimera and somatic ones are valuable in terms of breeding them). If you see a male calico or tortoiseshell character, just list them as an aversion of Gender Equals Breed.
They have also edited several pages to change examples of Animal Gender-Bender (and in one case
, Artistic License – Biology) to Gender Equals Breed when it involves male calicos.
Now I may be wrong, but I think Gender Equals Breed refers to when a couple from different species/breeds have kids who match the species/breed of the parent of the same gender, not this.
Was this an actual decision, or did this troper decide this on their own?
Sorry if this isn't important...