Fridge Horror and Fridge Brilliance in Works Pages

Does using these in Works Pages count as natter?

(Just for reference Fridge Horror and Fridge Brilliance)

Natter? No. Subjectives though, we tend to keep them to side pages. Brilliance can go in Just for Fun, Horror can stay, for the time being.

Yeah, we don't officially have a spot for Fridge Horror, so it stays by default. Fridge Brilliance can go take a flying leap, though.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

They're also acceptable if it's in-universe; for example, in Doctor Who S31 E04 "The Time of Angels", is a textbook Quickthaw example (the Doctor and entourage joke about the Aplans having two heads, and are like "well, shitfuck" when they realise the statues have one).

Of course, if I were to add CMOA to Doctor Who S25 E1 "Remembrance of the Daleks" (you know, the progenitor of the entire fucking namespace!), some complete idiot would remove it regardless.

Watch it, that kind of unwarranted ad hominem is potentially bannable, especially if that's your actual attitude. Awesome Moments now always and forever go on the related subpages. You may not override that official statement because you don't like it.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

We have Fridge namespace. Just make a Fridge/WorkTitle article and dump all the fridge stuff out there.

edited 16th Sep '10 11:13:19 AM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

^^

You Keep Using That Word...

edited 16th Sep '10 11:24:03 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Always and Forever? did ANYONE besides the admins and mods, who are completely without check on their power, discuss that change? REALLY?...

edited 2nd Oct '10 5:41:08 PM by SolarisPrime

It was discussed for a long time, back and forth, but you would do well to remember that on this wiki, the admins are God, and if you don't like it, there's always Encyclopedia Dramatica.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Unwanted ad hominem there, dude.

How fortunate, then, that I'm not trying to persuade anyone of the validity of my opinion; I'm just stating facts.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

So, just to clarify, should in-universe Fridge examples stay on the main page or go to ? I recently cutlisted two sub-pages for the same work page for having only in-universe examples that were restored to the main page. While the YMMV page was cut, the Fridge one was not, so I'm kind of confused now.

I tend to shift Fridge Horror towards YMMV pages, because it seems to belong in the same section as concepts like Complete Monster status and Character Alignment. Fridge Brilliance I tend to leave alone, whether it is in the YMMV section or the main page.

edited 20th Nov '10 5:30:16 PM by neoYTPism

That's not what those banners say. Anyhow, my question was specifically about when these tropes are used as part of the story (or review as the case was), which I think should be reason enough not to split them off, as they are no more disputable or subjective than any other. This is clearly the case for YMMV tropes and I found threads thats suggest the same is true for Fridge tropes, but that cut master clearly didn't think so. Is there no official standing on this?

edited 20th Nov '10 6:36:28 PM by Kill-o-matic

Fridge Logic is not something that can occur in-story, by definition. If characters recognize the implausibility of the plot, that's a Lampshade Hanging. If characters have a moment when they realize how stupid something that's going on is, and comment on it, that could be Who Would Want to Watch Us?. If they have an amazing realization about something that they missed, that's a "Eureka!" Moment.

That said, if there is a Show Within a Show and the characters in one comment about stuff going on in the other, that is the only acceptable situation where these tropes can apply in-universe. Be careful, because these examples often fall under Discussed Trope or Conversed Trope.

As for reviews, we don't give a crap about someone else's opinion of a work. What matters is yours, and we have a Reviews section precisely for people to give their opinions.

edited 20th Nov '10 6:40:32 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

^ I disagree. A character in a work can have a case of Fridge Logic, or Fridge Horror or Fridge Brilliance — but only about another work within the original work. So if Alice is a character in a movie and at some point she's reading a book, and later she says something that indicates that she's just realized something in the book was really clever, that's an in-work Fridge Brilliance.

And... you edited to add that part about the Show Within a Show while I was typing.

edited 20th Nov '10 6:52:21 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

If we don't give a damn about reviews why do we have a section for Roger Ebert and every single member of That Guy With The Glasses.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.

We care about reviews in as much as they form a type of media every bit as real and tropable as the works they opine about.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

We don't care for wiki editor reviews (outside of the review feature), but the opinion of That Guy With The Glasses has a hell of a lot more weight in a works page than the mysterious "anonymous" or "unknown troper." Even then there are issues with people spamming a work with the opinion of the internet critic that recently reviewed it.

To some degree both Fridge Logic and Fridge Brilliance can occur without it being specifically towards a Show Within a Show. The 2009 Ghostbusters game had Ray describe one regarding the reappearance of the Sta-Puff Marshmallow Man. And I can think of other instances where a character goes Fridge Logic -> "Eureka!" Moment -> Fridge Brilliance.

The page I was talking about was Todd's so the examples are indeed from music videos withing the show. I don't think that last one even counts as Fridge Logic, which is why I changed it to just SNBE on the main page. So, is it okay if I cutlist it again?

So I guess it would be OK to put any trope with 'Fridge' in the title on the appropriate page's Fridge/ namspace? Seems pretty straightforward. I mean, we have multiple tropes on the YMMV/ namespace.

edited 21st Nov '10 5:43:32 AM by Iaculus

What's precedent ever done for us?

What if it does not have a Fridge namespace, should we create one?

Yup.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

Like this?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/TheLionKing

Yay, now the YMMV section is a little shorter!