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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Libraryseraph Cross-wired freak from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Cross-wired freak
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#184252: Sep 23rd 2019 at 4:58:53 AM

Sure to artur.

RIP KissAnime.
TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Darkwing Goose
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Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
therealjackieboy Ultimate Moral Compass from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Ultimate Moral Compass
#184256: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:24:47 AM

[tup] Artur.

Also I hate to say it, but actor Sid Haig has unfortunately died at 80. We lost Cutter from Aftermath (1982).

"No running in the halls!"
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#184257: Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:48:11 AM

Aww, damn. Yes to Artur, but...

Polar....you know being mentioned like that made Fried uncomfortable. What would possess you to do that again publicly? That could easily have been done over PM

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:25:35 AM

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#184259: Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:04:17 AM

Jackie, see the last page [lol] I stand corrected about him not having a CM though.

EDIT: And a yes to Artur.

Speaking of Kamen, there's a couple Crow sent my way I hope to EP this weekend, along with that Ghidorah, if I can get off my lazy ass [lol]

Edited by ACW on Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:08:23 AM

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#184261: Sep 23rd 2019 at 7:02:33 AM

[tup] to Artur

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
MovieFan2000 Since: Jan, 2016
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#184264: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:47:37 AM

[tup] to Evil King Arthur and Crow Lee

I have no idea what I am doing
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#184265: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:14:10 AM

So thoughts on these quotes ?

"We have King Artur, of Sinister Albion. For every glorious dream, there’s a nightmare equivalent, somewhere in the time-streams. For every helping hand, a kick in the face. In Sinister Albion, Merlin Satanspawn decided to embrace his father’s qualities instead of rejecting them, and brought up young Artur in his own awful image. Under their direction, Camelot became a place of blood and horror, where knights in terrible armour feasted on the hearts of good men, and Albion blazed from end to end with burning Wicker Men."
John Taylor on the Sinister Albion versions of King Artur and Merlin Satanspawn, The unnatural inquirer

Or perhaps

" We are everywhere. We are everyone. Or at least, everyone who matters. We supply a word here and a push there, and the world goes the way we want it to. Always remember the Creed I gave you. Words to live forever by. Greed is good. Contempt is good. Hate is good. The crushing of the weak and glorying in their plight is good. Anything that profits us is good. Because we . . . are all that matters. No one else lasts long enough to matter. They come and they go but we go on. Everyone else in the world is just there to serve us, or for us to play with. They are mayflies. We are Immortals. "
Methuselah to the Family of Immortals, From Hell with love

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Libraryseraph Cross-wired freak from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Cross-wired freak
#184269: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:35:01 AM

[tup] to the quotes (did anything ever happen with my suggested steerpike one?)

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#184271: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:53:11 AM

[tup] to quotes

I have no idea what I am doing
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Libraryseraph Cross-wired freak from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Cross-wired freak
#184273: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:31:23 AM

[up][up][up] This one

[Steerpike] no longer wanted to kill his foe in darkness and silence. His lust was to stand naked upon the moonlit stage, with his arm stretched high and his fingers spread, and with the warm fresh blood that soaked him sliding down his wrists, spiralling his arms and steaming in the cold night air- to suddenly drop his hands like talons to his breasts, and tear it open to expose a heart like a black vegetable- and then, upon the crest of self-exposure, and the sweet glory of wickedness, to create some gesture of supreme defiance, lewd and rare; and then with the towers of Gormenghast about him, cheat the castle of its jealous right and die of his own evil in the moonbeams.

-Gormenghast

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Goku Black
#184275: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:34:07 AM

Looks good. Add to the drafts and acw will submit it on locked pages.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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