During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I'm Sad Frogerson.
@ACW: The story is told through bios underneath the illustrations. Here's Ghidorah's for reference.
The Lord Of Walruses
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to everyone from Takamiya to here sans Stanley Ipkiss.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
In that case, Ghidorah.
ACW: Just give me some time, I'll get something written for her before too long.
Ghidorah
Goku Black
Oh right yeah. (sigh)
So its the 26th of August.
Ravok/Lighty could you give your opnion on Legion (2017) ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Sigh. Cut Farouk, redeeming qualities, last minute, royaly sucks, etc etc.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yeah, Ravok told me about that. Farouk gets MORE crimes (including, I think he said, trapping people inside their children), but has to be cut.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Shadow king
My God. What has been up with this year. Its like we seem to be cutting guys this year for weird out of nowhere redeeming qulities that dont even make sense over and over again....
Well thats one for the books in terms of sheer Ass Pull value. The only one that may rival it is one I read from a book series I was reading.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ugh! I haven't caught with that season yet but that new does not motivate me at all.
Cut Farouk.
Edited by Silverblade2 on Aug 26th 2019 at 9:07:02 PM
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
to Ghidorah.
And...yeah. Ravok told me about this, to Farouk. And I'm pretty sure this solidifies what Fried said about 2019 being the Year of Undeserved sudden mitigating factors.
Edited by Kylotrope on Aug 26th 2019 at 11:56:29 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around here
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Maybe it's because of sudden obsession with "complex" villains?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Mir, you must be forgetting Acacia. Paul Saetta's also bad at first, but makes a little more sense when you think about it.
Edited by ACW on Aug 26th 2019 at 2:59:26 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Out of curiosity what are Farouk's recent disqualifers?
Goku Black
No you see theres one from a book series I read which could potentially top even those.
I wont discuss it here since it would be off-topic. Just PM if your curiosu.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I thought sharks were my friends.
Abstaining on Ghidorah.
RIP KissAnime.
Yeah, cut Farouk. Ravok already told me that he would have to be cut when the discussion date rolled around.
Alas, it is what it is: cut Farouk.
How do you see a cut list for the CMs?
I’ll just say this. Farouk WON’T be the last CM removed due to new redeeming qualities this year.
Now I'm curious. PM me
Ultimate Moral Compass
Sigh. Cut Farouk.
Hey writers, there’s a difference between complexity and consistency.
"No running in the halls!"
@ Michael, Same request as Lighty.
Nah things have been fine for the most part.
This thread is damn active.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."