During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Goku Black
Why wouldnt he be.....
He doesnt have any redeeming qualities in the first two books.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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@ACW He actually comes back from the dead in the 2nd book along with his follower Rand. He's the reason why I'm worried about heinousness since he kills thousands in the 2nd book. I mentioned a potential redeeming quality with him in the 2nd book a while ago and you suggested that I wait until the third book comes out to see if it sticks. Actually, I think I'll wait.
I just remembered that the book heavily implies that he has a greater plan since both Rand and the Thunderhead mention how he's been targeting engineers for his gleanings. I'll definitely wait.
Edited by papyru30 on Aug 5th 2019 at 1:36:44 PM
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Goku Black
Well that seems fine.
I got nothing personally at the moment.
There was someone I planned to ep (Nasty prick who kills hundreds of people and then eats there souls) but it's later revealed that she loves her sister and refuses to kill her. So.....that one is a bust
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Ouch. Miskin. That hurts.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Goku Black
@acw: Superbook (2011) is now a thing. Could we move the entries from the anime superbook there since they come from that remake.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Uhhhhhhhh, guys I've been at work. Or sleeping. Watch what? The hell did I miss? O__o
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Goku Black
Edit nvmnd
Edited by miraculous on Aug 5th 2019 at 1:59:14 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Also...okay, so I rewatched the cutscene and...I have to say...
Imran Zakhaev from Call of Cuty? I think he may have to go. His mentioning 'his blood' in the tone he does after his son dies? He does sound legit upset about that and I don't think we can pass that one off so easily, especially with how the team hoped to get to Zakhaev by capturing his son, which is a moot point if he has no feeling for him
Goku Black
Tbh Makarov his protege seems way worse then him as well.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Cut away.
My thoughts exactly.
Edited by falcontalons on Aug 5th 2019 at 2:07:41 AM
Yeah, I was also gonna say...Makharov really starts blasting Zakhaev out of the water.
Not a series I really follow but sure. Weird it took so many mentions of that line until we landed on the cut decision but I'm fine with him going.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Ehhhh, sure. Scratch Zakhaev. He seems very blah now compared to people like Makarov and Salem Kotch.
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@Lightysnake Quite literally too. Didn’t Makarov’s actions involve Nuclear explosives?
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Zakhaev. Even if you discount his potential love for his son as not really redeeming, he's blown way out of the water by Makarov.
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@ Tyk5919 Essentially, Keshali EPed one Shuriki and there's been much debate on whether or not her crimes sounded like basic villainy. So Lighty wanted someone else to verify.
That said, cut Zakhaev.
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to Morakeb.
Goku Black
Especially since the later games reveal that the nuke was actually makarov s idea and not Zakheavs.
Which pretty much takes away most of his datasheet
Edit : Rapsheet. Autocorrect
Edited by miraculous on Aug 5th 2019 at 2:21:53 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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I never thought both Zakaehv AND Al-Asad counted, honestly, especially with the latter just being Zakhaev's and Makarov's lackey, who never did anything from his own initiative.
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When Makarov's on the phone saying "Do it", is it al-Asad he's talking to? If not, I think he may have to go as well. Zakhaev can DEFINITELY go.
I'll make that Superbook request tomorrow. My head's killing me, so off to bed I go.
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Zakhaev.
Cut Zakhaev.
TBH, I have no attachment to al-Asad either. Makharov is the clearest keeper.
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Goddard still a keeper?
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