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Hmm... I'm willing to go on good faith that the possibility is left open and unless a later book makes a definitively compromising argument towards the predators' agency, I'll give your candidate a yes.

Also, I really don't like the entry for the 1989 Batman film's Joker, which, along with a slew of awkwardly written sentences, compares him to the Joker from The Dark Knight, which is just odd, here's my new version:

• Batman: The Joker, real name Jack Napier, is an insane, sadistic criminal. Murdering the young Bruce Wayne's parents, Jack is only stopped from killing the boy himself when his partner warns him the cops are approaching. After being transformed into the Joker, Jack goes on to kill the mob boss who betrayed him, before killing the other Mafia higher ups to take over the Gotham Crime Syndicate. Using Smylex mixed in with everyday products, Jack causes a string of deaths of unsuspecting innocents. Jack also abuses his girlfriend, Alicia Hunt, disfiguring and eventually killing her, before trying to seduce Vicki Vale immediately after her death. Taking advantage of Gotham's 200th anniversary parade, Jack tries to gas the gathered civilians with Smylex to amuse himself and takes out his frustration over Batman stopping his plans by killing his loyal second-in-command.

edited 12th Apr '18 7:48:23 PM by 43110

Morbin.

yea on morbin

on the Joker rewrite.

Kuriwacki, Morbin and Deathwatch.

Kurawaki, Morbin, and Deathwatch.

I've talked about the Jo Jo monster page the anime screenshot of Angelo biting off a dog's face a while back. Why not use the manga version◊ instead?

Morbin and manga image.

This is question important for my EP.

Big Bad had, offscreen, ordered Brute to kill someone. Killing is onscreen. Is ordering a murder Offscreen Villainy?

I'd say it's not. A CM I proposed a couple weeks ago, James Halgate, is a Non-Action Big Bad who orders most of his murders offscreen, but the deaths are onscreen. I'd say as long as we see the effects of his offscreen actions, it's not Offscreen Villainy.

edited 13th Apr '18 1:24:17 AM by JoeBlitz

A question from mine:

So there is a candidate in question......Despite he had a bit of a troubled relationship with his mother, He tries at his best to impress her. However, heres the thing: In the candidate in question's mother POV, she said that the candidate in question died 3 years ago and she said that he swam to the ocean and never came back and he also said sorry to his mother and wont gonna hurt her and he also told his mother that his life was an epic fail. However, heres the real thing that happen: So the candidate in question went to New York 3 years ago and then assumes a new identity, seducing the female protagonist and then tries to overtake the company.......And I think he tries to lie to his mother about what happened and when the Candidate in question encounters the female protagonist..... She simply calls him out on what he had done to his mother by leaving her alone. And refutes it by saying that its necessary.... So heres the thing. Do you think this is mitigating or not?

And yes, The candidate in question is from A Kiss Before Dying btw

Morbin Blackhawk (awesome name).

Joker rewrite.

using the Manga image for JJBA.

It sounds like it.

Morbin

Like a redeeming quality. Unless is explicitly noted that he don't give a fuck about his mother.

edited 13th Apr '18 4:21:35 AM by KazuyaProta

Sounds like what?

EDIT: Think I need to rewatch a little bit. Though in the last moments, he felt pretty fine if he abandon and lie to his mother as it is necessary to reach his goal living a good live but yeah..... Really need to check again.

edited 13th Apr '18 4:30:27 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

Yes to Morbin.

So anyway, Yesterday Tyk and I decided to collaborate on the r/nosleep entries and decide who stays and who goes. He'll be posting his batch sometime later today, but for now? Let's look at the guys I decided to cover:

The Stranger from The Day I Lost my Faith: As far as I'm concerned? Cut him and don't look back. His story is literally nothing more than "cartoonishly evil edgelord brutally murders people in shocking, tasteless ways for funsies and swears a bunch while doing so".

Seamus Pommier from Welcome to Halloween Camp: While he's not as bad of a case as the Stranger, he should be cut for similar reasons.

Stitch from Case File no. 65: I... honestly think that this guy ought to stay. His story is every bit as ludicrously gory as the others and there isn't a particularly happy ending... but unlike the other two stories I discussed, it comes off less like a bored teen spent an hour penning up a shock fic and more like something with a lot of care and effort put into it: it's a multi-partart story that actually had a few ARG elements incorporated where the audience interacts with the narrator and contribute to his fight against Stitch.

Again, it is not well-written and very narmy, but the characters are properly fleshed out and (aside from Stitch) sympathetic, and while all the heroes are either dead or about to die at the end, it's shown that the author's death may very well screw over the villain in the long run. Effort was put into this story, and it ultimately comes across as a horror thriller that happens to be dark and gory as opposed to just mindless drivel. I dunno: maybe you guys will think differently, but that's just my two cents on the subject.

edited 13th Apr '18 5:51:14 AM by FriedWarthog

Agreed there.

We're gonna be equally harsh with short stories written for people outside Internet, right?

Yeah, the "no gratuitous grimdark garbage" rule applies to everything.

@Kazuya: No. What we should be doing is analyzing whether or not short stories are actually well-written pieces of fiction that actually have a purpose to them, or if they're just Torture Porn for the sake of Gorn. A Serbian Film and The Human Centipede trilogy were feature films released in theaters, and despite this, we cut them because there was virtually no point to these movies except for "how can we gross out our audience without going to prison?" And then there is Where the Dead Go to Die, which, while not being the worst movie I've seen, is shameless shock value mixed in with Surreal Horror. And nothing else.

Anyway.....finished reading I had to psychologically evaluate a serial killer; I don't know what to report. That is still a stupid-ass title. >__>

We're not cutting Howard. The story's split into four parts, amounting to being roughly 15K words. The entire story—and I do mean the whole thing—is nothing but a psychiatrist interrogating a murderer with six different personalities. We learn through this interrogation about Howard's deeds, which are currently listed on the Web Original subpage. If that wasn't enough, the psychiatrist also confirms with the police and watches a few VHS tapes confirming Howard's crimes, so no Offstage Villainy here.

Overall, no excessive Gorn, no onscreen Torture Porn, and no senseless shock value. I will admit, the story is a bit absurd and over-the-top with its plot, but I do give the author props to committing to the plot's absurdity and just rolling with it. I can't even say that the story's poorly-written, if I'm being honest.

I'll be reading Three Years In Hell and Dr. Margin's Guide to New Monsters later tonight. And I Was a Professional Internet Troll, because something doesn't sit right with me and that story. >__>

edited 13th Apr '18 7:15:04 AM by Tyk5919

@Fried @Tyk I could make a tally for the guys who could stay or go if you guys don't mind. Here's the current tally in which the one should go and stay:

• Keep: Kristen Cullen (I guess?),Stitch and Howard
• Cut: The Stranger,Seamus

EP from me probably coming soon unless I could settle something about one factor that me ( Given I want to compensate it for my lackluster Urs EP and it was a BIG MISTAKE!!!).......Also, late to that Joker rewrite.

edited 13th Apr '18 7:10:53 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

EDIT POST / NEW POST: So I went ahead and read I Was a Professional Internet Troll! .....Ehhhhhh, I'm leaning towards cut. This starts out as a legitimate story, talking about Resisilobus and why he became a horrible Internet Troll. But shortly after that, it devolves into a series of events where Resisilobus says "Ooh, I did this! OOH! I did this! OOH! I DID THHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS!" And the story ends with a demon known as the real Resisilobus stalking him and possibly killing him off-screen.

Now....there's no gratuitous Torture Porn. There's no over-the-top Gorn. It's not senseless shock value. I will admit that; that's only fair. But really.....there's hardly anything to this story. The Villain Protagonist is just describing, in a short story hardly over 2700 words, that he ruined the lives of several innocent people because he thought it was funny or because it gave him pride. Then the story ends with him gloating about it.

Soooooooooooo yeah......I'm in the middle here. This technically is a story, but there's not much to it. If you guys wanna keep him, then that's fine. If you wanna cut him, that's fine too.

edited 13th Apr '18 7:16:03 AM by Tyk5919

The 1991 remake....I'm actually trying to EP that remake version actually. You can check the P Ms about it. The factor with his mother seriously bugs me.

Should I do the EP for Jonathan or not?

edited 13th Apr '18 7:17:43 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

Now that Tyk mentioned A Serbian Film.

From wikipedia

Spasojević and Radivojević, have stated that the film is a parody of modern politically correct films made in Serbia, which are financially supported by foreign funds. When asked why they chose the title 'Srpski Film' for the film's name, Radivojević answered, "We have become synonyms for chaos and lunacy. The title is a cynical reference to that image. Srpski Film is also a metaphor for our national cinema — boring, predictable and altogether unintentionally hilarious which throughout our film to some extent is commented on and subtly parodied." Similarly, Radivojević describes Serbian cinema as "...pathetic state financed films made by people who have no sense or connection to film, but are strongly supported by foreign funds. Quality of the film is not their concern, only the bureaucratic upholding of the rule book on political correctness."[4]

According to Spasojević, the character of Vukmir is "an exaggerated representation of the new European film order ... In Eastern Europe, you cannot get your film financed unless you have a barefoot girl who cries on the streets, or some story about war victims in our region ... the Western world has lost feelings, so they're searching for false ones, they want to buy feelings."[5]

In another interview Spasojević is quoted as saying the film "denounces the fascism of political correctness." Questioned by the Croatian media on whether the violence depicted deals with crimes committed by Serbian soldiers during the Yugoslav Wars, Spasojević answered, "'Srpski Film' does not touch upon war themes, but in a metaphorical way deals with the consequences of postwar society and a man that is exploited to the extreme in the name of securing the survival of his family."[6]

You have a point there, Hegel? Why are you bothering to bring that thing up?

And when are you going to stop pestering us with irrelevancies and pointless questions? At this point, Hegel, I have to ask what exactly you're contributing to this thread. You don't post candidates, you barely vote, you continuously ask us endless inane questions that we've made clear we don't like and you seem to have no interest in actually helping with this trope.

edited 13th Apr '18 7:58:12 AM by Lightysnake

Please stop this. You keep bringing up every random thing that has nothing to do with anything relevant.

Also why do we need to bring up the Serbian film now as we've gone past it and don't need to keep bringing it up.

edited 13th Apr '18 7:57:59 AM by miraculous