During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Tommy Wiseau
DIIIIOOOOOOOOO!
Current mood: sick of your shit
Josef Mengele and Dio
This thread has gotten weird.
Caesar
The Unknown Unknown
Bruh.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
In love with an Uptown Girl
Okay, you know what?
Fuck JBA. All of it. I am sick of these mother fucking memes clogging up this mother fucking thread!
Sure, call me a hypocrite. I have more searching to do.
And I swear to God, if these memes continue, I will bring up another Nosleep candidate! The most shity one I can find!
Actually, is this what happens when Scraggle isn't around?
edited 23rd Dec '17 4:44:30 PM by Vampireandthen
Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
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Dude. Relax.
Wild Child
Okay seriously, there's no need to get hostile. I don't exactly find these JBA memes funny either, but that was simply on-called for.
In love with an Uptown Girl
Guess I did overreact, but the situation at my house was kind of stressful. Eh, it was a good way to relieve it.
Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
Vampire? Never do this again.
If you try and start unnecessary drama because you want to relieve stress, there will be a mod called in. If things are tough at home, just take a break and let things calm down. Keep it off of the thread. Please.
Yea to Dio. Again, can't say I have the same blistering passion everyone else has for the series, but yes, he counts here.
edited 23rd Dec '17 5:52:23 PM by Scraggle
Question. When their is a non-human CM, do they need to establish moral agency, or can moral agency be assumed unless there is evidence to prove they may not have it.
My understanding is that they need to establish it.
mmmm...depends. If it's like a dark elf or a goblin or something, moral agency can typically be assumed, and the question is how they stick out for the species..
I'd say it's very, very contextual...a demon can either have agency or be Made of Evil or just not stick out enough.
edited 23rd Dec '17 5:43:23 PM by Lightysnake
I think we had a rule of thumb that agency is generally assumed unless there's some valid reason to believe it could be compromised. But yes, it's a very case-by-case basis.
edited 23rd Dec '17 5:45:56 PM by Scraggle
I have been thinking about suggesting some of the specimens from Spookys Jumpscare Mansion. A few of the specimens have enough lore and personality to count.
Mmm, I'd say none of them count in the slightest. Honestly, if there's at all a candidate in that game, it's probably Spooky herself.
Could I recommend her, then?
Honestly, even then I'd probably say no... it's debatable how serious she's played overall and even without that her past is probably disqualifying all on its own. Considering she was a cute little girl who got shot one day?...
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
In vampire's defense, the memes ARE getting a bit annoying. Not as annoying as making a game T for teen though.
edited 23rd Dec '17 6:46:50 PM by ACW
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The ghost girl who wants to create an undead army because she's sick of being called "cute"? Seriously?
Let's cut off the memes right here and cut off complaining about the memes right here as well. Both are equally annoying and I'd rather get back to proper discussion.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Works for me.
I don't feel comfortable voting on Mengele until someone actually sees the movie.
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