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JHD0919 One-Track Mind (he/him) from a 12-pack of Diet Coke (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Abstaining
One-Track Mind (he/him)
#1: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:23:10 PM

The Main/ version of this page (back when work pages were allowed to be in the Main/ namespace) was cut by 5P ages ago due to pedopandering. I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. To me, pretty much every character who has sex in this VN looks like they're in their teens. Thus, I believe this page never should have been cut, and I humbly request it is restored.

(For reference, here's a link to each character's profile, courtesy of VNDB)

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Feb 22nd 2024 at 6:34:53 AM

Previous discussion.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#3: Feb 22nd 2024 at 9:58:33 AM

I clicked through to the DLsite storefront and I can't tell how old the characters are supposed to be, and it's got some pretty explicit FF sex in the CGs. Is there any canonical statement of their ages?

Edited by StarSword on Feb 22nd 2024 at 12:59:21 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Feb 22nd 2024 at 10:17:57 AM

The previous discussion said that everyone involved is canonically Totally 18. Also, the characters are robots, so their chronological age means nothing one way or another.

Here's an image of the problematic character that got it axed last time.

Googling "katahane belle nude" (do not google this at work)...I'm...personally leaning toward thinking it's the art style looking young, rather than the character being portrayed as child-coded. The P5 who made this decision said otherwise, but that was a different day.

Leaning toward restore.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#5: Feb 22nd 2024 at 10:20:54 AM

I mean, she is remarkably flat chested in a way that implies immaturity. I can see why it would cause concern.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Feb 22nd 2024 at 10:29:45 AM

I'm seeing "flat-chested" but not as an implication of immaturity. The last thing we want to do is imitate Australian censors. grin

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#7: Feb 22nd 2024 at 10:30:22 AM

I mean, she just visibly looks young. Borderline pre-pubescent. So like I said, I get why people thought she was a child. Flat chests are hardly an art style thing.

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 22nd 2024 at 1:31:18 PM

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Zazie122 from New Zealand Since: Jul, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#8: Feb 22nd 2024 at 10:35:38 AM

[up] Looking at a couple of the explicit CGs, she does have breasts. They're just small, but she absolutely does not have a child's chest.

Fwiw there's a PS Vita version that's rated 17+, with the explicit sexual content removed.

Edited by Zazie122 on Feb 23rd 2024 at 7:37:19 AM

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#9: Feb 22nd 2024 at 10:58:53 AM

[up]That seems like an argument to just go with the Self-Censored Release, then. From the CGs I saw, the Vague Age issue was really pushing it.

JHD0919 One-Track Mind (he/him) from a 12-pack of Diet Coke (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Abstaining
One-Track Mind (he/him)
#10: Feb 22nd 2024 at 11:07:35 AM

Honestly I'd rather go all the way and trope the 18+ version.

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worldwidewoomy I wanna be a cowboy, baby from the bottom of a can of vanilla Coke (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
I wanna be a cowboy, baby
#11: Feb 22nd 2024 at 11:08:21 AM

i'd rather keep the Vita release but i could go either way

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#12: Feb 22nd 2024 at 11:10:36 AM

To be clear, I wasn't saying the character was a child. Just that I can see why she was an issue last time.

I'm not too concerned over which version we keep, though.

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Zazie122 from New Zealand Since: Jul, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#13: Feb 22nd 2024 at 11:30:30 AM

[up] Okay, yeah, that's fair. Apologies if I sounded like I was trying to argue with you!

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#15: Feb 22nd 2024 at 11:53:18 AM

Looking at CG, I'll lean on Belle looking too close to a child for my comfort, even if taking the moe blob artstyle.

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Zazie122 from New Zealand Since: Jul, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#17: Feb 22nd 2024 at 12:30:06 PM

Oh, forgot to add my actual vote, oops.

I'm on the fence. Personally I think things are too vague to judge one way or another (especially since the characters are dolls and not humans), and considering it was cut before, I think I'm gonna go with Clean version only.

Ideally, I'd want to restore it and trope the 18+ version since I don't personally consider this obvious pedo-pandering (sure, it's borderline with some of the character designs, but it doesn't seem as blatant as a lot of eroge are lol), but I do understand why people find the design uncomfortable, and ultimately I don't know this VN at all, so I'm okay with just troping the clean version.

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AbsoluteRainbow Absolute Rainbow & the tales between worlds from Hanoi, Vietnam Since: Jul, 2023
Absolute Rainbow & the tales between worlds
#18: Feb 22nd 2024 at 7:52:24 PM

Keep the clean version(s), discard the rest.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#19: Feb 22nd 2024 at 9:04:55 PM

Keep, including the 18+ version.

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JHD0919 One-Track Mind (he/him) from a 12-pack of Diet Coke (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Abstaining
One-Track Mind (he/him)
#22: Feb 24th 2024 at 6:50:15 AM

Keep Clean Version Only: StarSword, Amonimus, AbsoluteRainbow, StalkerGamer

Keep All Versions, Including 18+: JHD0919, Ramidel, callmeamuffin, Siegfried1337, animuacid, jandn2014, DemonDuckofDoom, worldwidewoomy, Zazie122

Restore (no versions specified): miraculous

Clean Version Votes: 3 (not including Rainbow's)

All Versions Votes: 9

Looks like we have good concensus to trope all versions of the game, including 18+.

Edited by JHD0919 on Feb 24th 2024 at 1:46:47 PM

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Siegfried1337 Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard from the Ashes Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#23: Feb 24th 2024 at 9:48:17 AM

...actually, upon taking a second look, I have decided to change my vote to keep all.

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animuacid Animu from Suginomiya district Since: Jan, 2024
Animu
#24: Feb 24th 2024 at 9:56:29 AM

Keep all versions. The wiki already has VNs such as The Song of Saya that contains sex scenes involving a short, small-breasted girl with ambiguous age due to her non-human nature and who is not characterized in-universe as a child.

Edited by animuacid on Feb 24th 2024 at 6:56:49 PM

jandn2014 Very Spooky from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
Very Spooky
#25: Feb 24th 2024 at 9:56:55 AM

Keep all, I suppose.

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