To-do list

• Move wicks for Arbitrary Maximum Range and Arbitrary Minimum Range to Arbitrary Weapon Range.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 29th 2022 at 5:06:04 AM

Letting ~Chloe Jessica know the thread was made.

Anyway, I'm in favor of merging, and Arbitrary Range Limitations sounds like a good name pending further suggestions.

That name sounds good.

to OP.

to the suggested merge

to merge

The proposed merge, unlike the minimum/maximum range, seems completely logical and not at all arbitrary.

Merge

I do have a bit of a concern about the "arbitrary" part of the trope. In videogames, ranges may be arbitrary, but in other works I've seen logical range limitations can have plot-relevant functions. Would the merged trope exclude these?

We may consider other names like Weapon Range Limit and etc. If there are enough non-vg examples, a split can be considered since being a videogame mechanic comes with own reasons.

I agree the arbitrary part sounds like it should apply only to videogame mechanics. It's hard to say for sure this needs a split without a wick check.

There are a lot of non-videogame links, so wick check or not we'll have to make a decision on them.

The thing is, I asked the thread's drafter (since she's not banned from the wiki or PMs) whether a wick check was done after I saw that there wasn't one in the OP, and she said that previous discussion on the tropes ended with nobody being sure what a wick check would be looking for. So what would one be looking for?

I don't think anyone else was previously concerned about the "arbitrary" part — the concern was that the split between "maximum" and "minimum" into two tropes instead of just one is unnecessary because there's nothing else separating them.

Either way a sandbox was drafted for the merge if we end up doing that. The trope would still be about minimum and maximum ranges; we'd just be using one trope for both instead of keeping them split (the latter being the current situation).

Edit: Oh, right, and I should probably mention that I posted this not long after getting out of bed, so if any wording was unclear, it's because I hadn't had any coffee yet.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 5th 2022 at 1:02:24 PM

For the sake of it throwing in

• Arbitrary Weapon Range
• Contrived Projectile Reach
• Shooting Distance Limit
• Weapon's Range Effectiveness

What are we defining the trope as?

The same way Arbitrary Maximum Range and Arbitrary Minimum Range are already defined, but with one trope covering both minimum and maximum ranges instead of the two being separate. There's no middle ground between minimum and maximum; we're only making a single change by folding the minimum and maximum aspects into one trope.

Sandbox.Arbitrary Range Limitations is a draft for the new description. Making changes other than folding minimum ranges and maximum ranges into a single trope (as opposed to how they're currently split into two tropes) isn't on the table without a wick check.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 9th 2022 at 7:46:39 AM

Should we call? It's been 3 days.

So we're just drafting a description now?

For wick moving, Arbitrary Minimum Range has 177 wicks, while Arbitrary Maximum Range has 207. Combined, that's 384 wicks to clean.

Sandbox.Arbitrary Range Limitations exists for drafting the description, albeit not under the name we ended up going with. I'd imagine the examples could be moved as-is since we didn't change much other than folding two tropes with small differences into one trope.

Edit: Moved it to Sandbox.Arbitrary Weapon Range to make things easier.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 12th 2022 at 8:17:29 AM

I moved the sandbox into place and handled the on-page examples.

Here's the Related page of the merged trope, since the old tropes' Related pages are accessible there.