Not Thriving: Bust Chart

Note: This thread was proposed by Very Sunshine, who gave others permission to make the thread.

Bust Chart is currently only on 13 work pages as of July 3, 2022, which is 54% of the minimum healthy threshold of 24 Wicks. (It barely hits the mark if you include indexes and effort pages.) A 2017 TLP effort by Water Blap resulted in 5 hats and 2 bombs, with the overall vote being to keep it.

The TLP effort also suggested making it trivia. I agree with this move if we can find more examples, as in all of the current examples, these drawings are released in guides or as bonus material, not in the main content of the work itself.

There are likely more undocumented examples. Most of the existing examples are from Japanese media with a mature slant, so that could be a good starting point if we want to look for more. However, I understand if we want to cut this one or merge it with something else.

A final possibility is turning this into a general "proportion reference chart" trope, based on the idea that we don't currently have tropes for other charts, like height.

Paging ~Very Sunshine.

Anyway, I'd prefer just cutting this.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 25th 2022 at 1:16:24 PM

I think a "general proportion chart" trope is the best way to deal with this, though it may be redundant with Model Sheet. If it is, which it seems like it might be, I'm down with a cut.

Edited by prettycoolguy on Aug 25th 2022 at 2:17:16 PM

I mean, I can see merit in a broader "proportions chart" trivia trope if other examples exist, but for now just cut I guess, it's not really anything too interesting alone.

I didn't know about Model Sheet (or forgot about it), but I think Bust Chart is redundant with it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 25th 2022 at 1:18:08 PM

Oh, yeah, we have Model Sheet. So this can be safely cut. Maybe redirected?

I'd be fine with redirecting due to inbounds. (Though I doubt I need to say why this page has over 6,000 inbounds despite being wick-starved.)

Can be redirected.

Edited by Amonimus on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:23:53 PM

By the way, speaking of Model Sheet and Trivia, does anyone else think it would be a good idea to move Model Sheet to Trivia since it's background information? It's a definition-only page so a wick check wouldn't be needed even if it had more than eight wicks.

Edit: I tagged both Bust Chart and Model Sheet.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 25th 2022 at 1:47:54 PM

Yeah, move it to trivia.

Sure.

I don’t think it’s redundant with Model Sheet, which seems to be the proportions and design of a single character (eg. headshots, what they look like from the side, alternative appearances). Bust Chart appears to be a just for fun thing that lines up the female characters by… eh well you know. I think it should be DO, as it’s not really a trope either.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 25th 2022 at 2:11:06 PM

No to merge/redirect. Nobody said that sufficient wicks have to be work/trivia/YMMV pages (depending on what type it is). Wick certainly doesn't, while TLP Guidelines only mentions 10 examples (which there are), and as long as you have 10 by the time you're four years old, you're good. I've just added two work wicks and one laconic page. Even if we remove the two temporary wicks (Pages Needing Wicks and TLP Crash Rescue Resolutions), we now have 24, just enough. Sure, move it to Trivia (IMO the examples don't seem to be too lewd to need to be a Definition Only Page), but now trying to merge/redirect due to this being not thriving or deserving of being a subtrope is illegitimate.

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:15:18 PM

Trivia and definition-only wouldn't be mutually exclusive for Bust Chart (but they would be mutually exclusive with redirecting). Only Trivia would be an option for Model Sheet since it's already definition-only.

Yeah, but I don't think Bust Chart deserves either definition-only or redirecting.

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 25th 2022 at 10:15:44 AM

Then don't vote for them.

I didn't. I don't know what you're talking about. I only think Bust Chart should be Trivia and explained why it shouldn't be redirected/definition-only. Now please stop complicating my thoughts with what I've said.

I was talking about potential crowner options for when it's time for that.

Personally, whether or not it's thriving has no impact on my opinion. I simply don't think that Bust Chart is a meaningful thing to split off from Model Sheet, and keeping it around sort of implies that we want these relatively arbitrary splits in the first place. As mentioned, we don't have something like Height Chart, so why do we need Bust Chart? As in, what unique value and purpose does the concept serve?

Like the page says "However, since they can be very fanservicey they're also used as Bonus Material for fans." You can't say the same about Height Chart or other common types (at least the fanservice part).

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 25th 2022 at 10:31:04 AM

It's...not a Model Sheet, though. I really don't think this definition, emphasis mine:

is the same as "side art or fanart that lines the characters up by size".

I think we could theoretically have a "cast proportion comparison art" (which would include Bust Chart and Height Chart and whatever else) page since I agree the concept is not limited to boobery but I don't think it's a trope.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 25th 2022 at 3:48:17 AM

You can, though. Nude model sheets and height charts exist, with the practical artistic purpose of establishing a physical reference for characters who will wear a variety of outfits. The ability to publish it as fanservice is a bonus.

I don't know if there's a standard production term that includes both, but model sheets (as defined) are for standardising a character's appearance from moment to moment and comparison charts are for establishing their appearances in relation to each other. They have the same general function and it's reasonable to trope them together.

Redirect.

Edited by Noaqiyeum on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:56:08 AM

As a lumper I am fine with troping both concepts together but the description of Model Sheet should also be rewritten to accommodate that.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 25th 2022 at 4:18:59 AM

I thought that part would be a given, but yeah, Model Sheet would have to be rewritten a little.

I'd be fine with rewriting Model Sheet, especially since I expanded this thread's scope to cover it.

Also, apologies for the sternness earlier. I admit I wasn't in the best mood at the time, and I could have been more clear about the fact that I was listing potential crowner options when I listed those potential courses of action (especially since the thread is only a day old), but I'm feeling better after getting some sleep.