Misused (Single Prop Crowner 12 October 2021): Role Ending Misdemeanor

With OBC, the fundamental questions are:

1. Is there controversy?

2. Does it overshadow the work?

The second question is the one that draws the arguments, though there's occasionally a disagreement over what exactly counts as "controversy."

Somewhat similarly, REM has:

1. Did the creator do something "bad?" 2. Did the creator lose a role because of it?

Here, the criteria are generally objective, but arguments can arise over both whether the action was "bad" (as opposed to either being fired for pissing off someone who had to power to fire them or for just just sucking at their job) and whether it caused the creator to lose a role (usually seen with regards to Web Original creators, though it happens for more "traditional" creators as well.)

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Also, I will dispute OP's claim that the trope was ever limited to on-set behavior to begin with. For as long as I can remember it's included off-set offenses, and the trope description says that the trope is specifically about off-set offenses.

some the examples I've looked so far often contain complain-y language. As I have said before, I am concerned about this trope being used as a substitute for Fallen Creator.

That in itself is not a reason to cut it. We have an entire thread dedicated to cutting back on complaining.

I personally think we should rename the trope. the word misdameanor sound pretty insensitive to be honest. also role ending implies this to an actor it but is also used for people behind the scenes as well.

I don't mind renaming for clarity, though I'm not sure what's so insensitive about "misdemeanor".

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most of the things these guys are accused for are very obviously not "misdemeanors". as a matter of fact, a previous TRS thread suggested renaming it for this exact reason.

Well, yeah, I'd agree with that, but I don't think it's insensitive so much as just a poor word choice.

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Rename is the least of our problems but it isn't a bad idea. Role Ending Controversy, maybe?

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agreed. I would suggest something like career ending crime or scandal.

I think we need to keep "role" in the name because A) "career" is too broad and would imply we allow all sorts of jobs, not just entertainment-related ones, and B) not all examples are as harsh as "career-ending," as they may just relate to one particular role.

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that's kind of the problem. the trope description can't really decide if the so called "misdemeanor" is something that would end their career or if something that simply ruins their role. I would suggest reformatting and possibly updating the in light of the metro movement, assuming that this trope was created before the movement had begun.

sorry for the spelling mistake I meant updating the trope in light of the Me Too! movement.

You know by clicking the three dots on the top right corner, you can edit your comment.

I don't see what your issue is either. Not all of these examples are as serious as sexual assault charges, and thusly don't always damage a person's entire career as opposed to a single role, and I don't think they need to be that serious to count.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 24th 2021 at 1:29:29 PM

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I still think the title is a little insensitive so I think a rename should be a priority. Also I wasn't aware I could edit my comment, I'm kind of new to this place so I'm still trying to get used to it.

Again, you're looking at the item too narrowly. While it is true that it is not just for "misdemeanors" and that should probably be changed, it also isn't exclusive to things like sex crimes. An actor tantrumming on set can be enough to get him fired and it doesn't necessarily ruin his career (famous people can bounce back very easily).

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 24th 2021 at 1:54:07 PM

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I see, again I'm kind of new to this place so forgive me if I say something a little weird.

We're past the minimum amount of time required for crowners, but have we settled on any potential options? I'm not going to make one at the moment because I'm not sure what would go on it.

Edit: We have these suggestions plus renaming and moving RoleEndingMisdemeanor.In Universe to a separate trope, but is there anything else?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 27th 2021 at 10:35:03 AM

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What I'd go with on a crowner is:

(Here, "creator" means the person who committed the "misdemeanor.")

1. Expand to cover both off-set and on-set behavior by the creator.

This was rephrased to sidestep the argument of which of them the trope already covers.

2. Add a waiting period.

I don't want separate crowner options for two weeks and six months, since the people who want one will vote down the other and neither will pass, as we've seen many times before on similar crowners. If this passes, we can have a second crowner for the waiting period.

3. Require the actual loss of a role.

This one seems obvious, but it still has to be on here. Superseded by #4.

4. Require the loss of a role, with the decision having been made by someone other than the creator or the government.

This would get rid of the random Youtube channels and the like. It would also remove the cases of "creator is in prison and literally cannot have roles."

That sounds good. I think having an option to add a waiting period and deciding the actual waiting period with a second crowner would be easier to manage than having multiple options for waiting periods of differing lengths.

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The fourth one would clear up a lot of my personal concerns, so yes, that all sounds good for a crowner.

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I think #4 is a good idea. If the creator lost the role because they were unable to play it, or if they quit the role for unrelated reasons, it shouldn't qualify.

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And if they're the only ones in charge of their revenue, so there was no external force to pressure them to quit. A Youtuber quitting shouldn't count unless they're fired by a Channel Awesome / Normal Boots kind of network or Youtube penalizes them for whatever they did.

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...or for being suspended on YouTube due to violating the guidelines (as has happened due to having controversial political viewpoints).

Edited by Nen_desharu on Sep 27th 2021 at 10:27:41 AM

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Well, tbf, YouTube is notoriously awful at upholding their own guidelines, and a lot of these guidelines are so draconian that breaking them can't really be considered a "misdemeanor".

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Made a crowner using the options suggested in RallyBot's post.

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