A project thread for the new Derivative Works/ namespace. The sandbox for the project is here.
The discussion agreed that adaptations of public domain works are not part of that work's "franchise", and their Franchise/ pages have to be reformatted and moved to the new namespace — DerivativeWorks/.
The current progress is handled at Sandbox.Derivative Works Namespace. Do not move pages to DerivativeWorks/ until the corresponding DerivativeWorks/ page draft is approved and stick to one work at a time.
For one thing, these simply aren't franchises. Fairytales are pretty much public domain. Anyone can make a story about these characters. It's not a franchise if it's just unrelated creators making unrelated adaptations. Second, I think these would function much better as normal indices or disambig pages. People who want to find a specific Snow White story would probably not expect to find it by clicking on the franchise button.
But what do you think?
I initially brought this up here
(in terms of the Cinderella one), but the discussion died almost immediately after. I figured that instead of keep bumping that thread, I'd make a new one here.
Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 14th 2022 at 12:42:47 PM
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The Three Musketeers DW page move is done. Sending the Franchise redirect to the cutlist, because it isn't a franchise at all.
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Didn't Tom and Jerry have a short that parodied The Three Musketeers
Disney franchises adapted from preexisting stories should have "(Disney)" added to the title, like Beauty and the Beast (Disney).
Edited by Iridener on Nov 5th 2023 at 10:44:39 AM
I second that, we will have to await the opinions of others however
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That's a disambiguation thing; not something to decide on here
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As for listing many Disney works from the same franchise by them or not, I added Beauty and the Beast (the entry that started it) in the list then the Disney franchise right under it and called it a day.
Edited by Iridener on Nov 5th 2023 at 12:06:04 PM
I'm pretty sure literature should go after film
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Yeah
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Nov 5th 2023 at 7:33:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure DerivativeWorks.Sleepy Hollow should be moved to or at lesst redirect to DerivativeWorks.The Legend Of Sleepy Hollow.
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Wait, is Maigret public domain? It has a Derivative Works page.
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Should The Bible get a page
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Yes.
Btw, FanWorks.The Bible is a thing. Which, I guess Dante is a fan of The Bible so it counts, but since Fan Works/ is for web published stuff, yeah I think that list could just be moved to a DerivativeWorks.The Bible.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Nov 9th 2023 at 11:53:16 PM
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And besides the subpage seems to only have literature, there were a handful of bible cartoons (would veggie tales doing for the page), The Bible Game etc
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It might potentially become the biggest Derivative Works page. Unless of course, we give each individual book (Book of Genesis, The Four Gospels, Book of Revelation, etc.) in the Bible its own Derivative Works page. Remember, The Bible is technically a collection of books. Keeping DerivativeWorks.The Bible as a list of the said Derivative Works pages.
Though that's only if it becomes too big. Again, I'll draft it in the DW sandbox first. See how to categorize everything. If it doesn't fit or becomes to big then maybe we can do the split off subpages idea.
My idea is
- Works that are based on multiple books in The Bible go to DerivativeWorks.The Bible
- Works that are based on chapters from a specific book will go to Derivative Works.[Book of X]
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Nov 10th 2023 at 12:09:04 AM
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Maybe it could be split by book, each in a folder, then the categories themselves. But then again someone or some people would have to figure out what references what book, and i think a handful aren't just stuck to one book. Oh yeah multiple books also have their own pages, so perhaps there should be a link to the og bible at the top and then the recap index i think it is
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I think giving each book its own DW page will become necessary if the Derivative Works list for a specific book takes up around several desktop screens.
My idea is to wait and see which books will take up the most space so they can be later split
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Yup. I'll start working on the draft in the sandbox.
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A good place to look would probably be Christian Fiction, but only use the ones where the work adapts stories and characters from the Bible itself, whether loosely or faithfully. Just ignore the ones like God's Not Dead that is Christian Fiction but doesn't adapt a story from The Bible nor use its characters as central focus (yeah you could argue Jesus is spiritually in those kinds of stories, but even then he'd be more like a glorified supporting character). Veggietales does adapt stories from the Bible so it would count as a DW.
Likewise, something like Judas (2017) centers on a character from the Four Gospels but has its own story, so it's also a DW.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Nov 10th 2023 at 1:18:57 AM
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Alright, I've started drafting the DW page for the Bible and collected several examples. How does it look so far? Is the organization fine?
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Nov 11th 2023 at 4:02:37 AM
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Thinking it could use some future-proof warning that not every work featuring Biblical Motifs or its characters are derivatives of biblical stories (that would actually raise a question if The Divine Comedy is).
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The Divine Comedy is basically a Crossover Work of The Bible, The Thebaid, and I think a bunch of other poems. As well as basically a Self-Insert Fic.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Nov 11th 2023 at 4:42:57 AM
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I'm liking the sandbox so far (it is in the sandbox derivative works namespace that we are talking about right?) The only nitpick i have is adding the bible game in the based on the bible in general section
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Actually the game (Assuming you're referring to Noah's Ark) is under the Genesis section.
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The previous crowner agreed to create a new namespace for subpages of original works that have fallen into the public domain due to misuse from the Multimedia franchise namespace and the Fan Works namespace. The following options had the most support during discussion.
Yeah, it's not entirely ready to be moved but unlike Peter Pan it doesn't have a trope list for us to worry about.
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