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Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM

Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#2901: Nov 29th 2021 at 10:18:12 PM

Is there a list of mod-exclusive actions as a reference for the engineer roles?

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Veteran Editor IV
#2902: Nov 29th 2021 at 10:23:03 PM

Know the Staff lists them, but it doesn't seem comprehensive.

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#2903: Nov 29th 2021 at 10:30:33 PM

Ah right, overlooked it for not being bulleted. I wonder if there's anything missing, like locking queries.

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#2904: Nov 29th 2021 at 10:33:59 PM

Aside from the ones listed there, off the top of my head, there's also moving reviews and the contents of discussion pages, editing videos you didn't upload, viewing the histories of cut pages, restoring cut pages (except the tool for that is currently broken), reverting to a specific version of a page, editing queries (locking/unlocking/changing its privacy setting/deleting), and now creating crowners.

Oh, and access to the mod forums. [down] and that.

And the page mover tool.

Edited by Twiddler on Nov 29th 2021 at 10:38:25 AM

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#2905: Nov 29th 2021 at 10:34:09 PM

The only things I can think of that’s not listed is video management and approving custom titles.

Macron's notes
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#2906: Nov 29th 2021 at 10:36:31 PM

Is there a list of mod-exclusive actions as a reference for the engineer roles?

Willbyr posted a couple of proposals for how to handle that position in the mod forum (both of which involved checklists), but aside from that, I'd probably have to look back further in the thread to see what else has come up regarding engineers.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 29th 2021 at 12:37:34 PM

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Professor Gigachad
#2907: Nov 29th 2021 at 10:37:36 PM

Remember Fighteer said that he couldn't make any promises that it would come, so I wouldn't count on it.

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#2908: Nov 29th 2021 at 11:13:57 PM

Remember Fighteer said that he couldn't make any promises that it would come, so I wouldn't count on it.

Fighteer isn't an admin. I do wish that we could have more communication with the admins from time to time, but I guess the mods are our liasons for the time being.

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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#2909: Nov 30th 2021 at 1:58:52 AM

[up][up]I'm guessing he said that just to be safe, since implementing it if/when it happens isn't an overnight process. Extra coding has to be done to make it happen, as opposed to how the moderator position already exists and the admins can just enable or disable it without doing more coding.

(Disclaimer: I am not a programmer; I did study PHP and MySQL in college, but that was a decade ago and I don't really remember any of it compared to what I learned about working with software configuration and hardware.)

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#2910: Nov 30th 2021 at 2:10:32 AM

The site runs on a modified Pmwiki engine. I'm not sure if it's coded from scratch or it still has some admin tools like Mediawikis having a bureaucrat panel.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2911: Nov 30th 2021 at 3:46:15 AM

Again, I am not speaking with direct knowledge, but I don't think there's much pmwiki left, if any, in the site's overall code base. It's more that the site is built like spaghetti and even if you rip out and replace one part of it, you still have a hundred others that are designed to work with the old code. You can see that in that we don't properly support Unicode. Nearly every part of the code would be touched by such a change, making it way more massive than it would otherwise appear to be.

TV Tropes demonstrates the Ship of Theseus paradox quite aptly.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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#2912: Nov 30th 2021 at 4:08:24 AM

Congrats Gaston, Macron and Tabs. I know you guys will do a great job.

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Redmess
#2913: Nov 30th 2021 at 4:59:55 AM

Yeah, realistically, we'd need a major overhaul of the entire code base, but that would be a major investment.

Optimism is a duty.
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#2914: Nov 30th 2021 at 5:16:25 AM

Congrats to the new mods! Normally I don't post on this thread anymore because I am mostly limiting my involvement with the site but I saw this and want to congratulate Gaston, Tabs, and Macron!

EDIT: And Synchronicity, who I apparently missed!

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Nov 30th 2021 at 8:19:47 AM

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#2915: Nov 30th 2021 at 5:51:39 AM

Congrats to the New Mods!

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#2916: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:06:19 AM

By the way, while we're here, can one of the new mods (or one of the old mods, or Fighteer, it doesn't really matter) screenshot what their "Add Post" screen looks like? If my memory serves me right (as in, someone told me in a thread), the Mod Hat button is just a checkbox.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2917: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:07:58 AM

It is exactly just a check box. However, the "mod" tag that appears next to handles is done differently and should be fixed soon.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#2918: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:18:27 AM

What Fighteer said about the "MOD" tag is why this post and this post appear pink without being tagged as mod posts. That issue is currently being looked into.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#2919: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:40:32 AM

OK, the issue that was mentioned a bit ago should be fixed.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2920: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:40:38 AM

The "MOD" tag is now fixed! Yay! Edit: [nja]

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 30th 2021 at 11:40:48 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheUnsquished Filthy casual from Southern Limey Land (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Married to the job
Filthy casual
#2921: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:45:38 AM

Belated congratulations to all the new mods. grin

(Annoyed grunt)
SilverCrown (Private) Relationship Status: Singularity
#2922: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:45:44 AM

Wow, ninja'd within six seconds by a mod with the Mod Hat on? That's almost as rare as that one time in Edit Banned where you got ninja'd by three seconds.

(Yeah, I read Edit Banned too much. Also, to the new mods? You'll probably have to venture into Edit Banned at one point.)

Edited by SilverCrown on Nov 30th 2021 at 10:20:16 PM

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#2923: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:50:55 AM

[up]To be fair, I only had the mod hat on because the only other way to show that the bug was fixed was to link to a separate page.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
SilverCrown (Private) Relationship Status: Singularity
#2924: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:52:04 AM

By the way, Gaston, your name now shows up with MOD on it on Ask The Tropers. I'm guessing everything is hunky-dory, at least for now?

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#2925: Nov 30th 2021 at 8:53:15 AM

[up]Yes, because it's also been fixed for the other three new recruits.

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