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I actually sent Fighteer a thank-you for those because they're useful to refer to for problem pages. Website and Roleplay have a lot of problem pages that don't really get what the wiki is for, so that complete info would be good to have... somewhere. I'm not sure where yet.
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Yeah, I am also thinking that Website pages in particular are often a source of problems. They often aren't stories in the strict sense and people end up troping users.
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There's nothing about What Goes Where on the Wiki that would lead an uninformed reader to assume it's about tropes exclusively.
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Apart from the fact that all information on if, how and where to create work pages is elsewhere? The What Goes Where page is a directory of stuff we allow and where to put it, not a guide on what we (don't) allow.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Some of it ought to have been duplicated on Namespace anyway. Adding the information to There's No Such Thing as Notability would need a new section, which we probably should've had anyway: What is a work?
Or, hear me out, since we have Creator Page Guidelines, why don't we split off Work Page Guidelines from the markup/style guide of How to Create a Work's Page?
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I like either or both of those ideas!
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Drafts up on Work Page Guidelines and How To Create A Works Page (Fixed based on ![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
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Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 3rd 2020 at 6:16:46 AM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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The contents on Sandbox.How To Create A Works Page have already been moved to Series.Street Time, so you're free to either cutlist it or put a real sandbox page there.
Edited by Serac on Sep 3rd 2020 at 5:13:33 AM
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I'll start drafting Web Video guidelines later. I've gotten veeeery familiar with these pages... very... familiar...
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I've created Sandbox.There Is No Such Thing As Notability, adding in the What is a work? section.
Based on this comment
, I'm going to ping ~Septimus Heap so that they can review the sandboxes. Maybe ~Fighteer needs a poke, too?
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Excellent, I'll read later! FYI Septimus commented here about the "what is a work" problem which may need an ongoing thread.
I braindumped thoughts about Web Video that likely need condensing or other editing— when I draft, I "write long" and then cut down.
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I do like that section. Very well-written.
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I am not sure about Sandbox.There Is No Such Thing As Notability. It goes into too many details on some aspects (porn, unpublished works and upcoming works) that aren't necessary and in part misleading and too little in others (distinction between creative work and non-works). My preference would be to write a few sentences about the latter point to the current Notability page and add them to the last section.
Re: Works depicting Real Life: The thing about such things is that there are plenty of editorial tricks (mainly by emphasizing certain events and ignoring others) that apply, including moralizing. That's why we consider these works in the first place.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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What about Sandbox.Work Page Guidelines and Sandbox.How To Create A Works Page? I think they need more critiquing before they're ready. Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
The section on porn can easily be generalized to become a "things we don't want" list and that's why one would put the "non-creative" thing in it instead of having two separate "unwanted things" sections.
The distinction between work and not-work will need precise wording. I am thinking that using the term "story" might help there.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I just took off a large new section on What Goes Where on the Wiki because it was out of place. That page describes where tropes belong on the wiki, not rules about how to create work pages, and there is no reference anywhere to this page if it's supposed to host the latter.
The content was:
Websites
Websites (including wikis) fall into an unusual category between works and creators. Rarely is a site itself credited in a creative work. Instead, its users may (collaboratively or individually) publish creative content on the site, using it as a platform. Some guidelines:If these guidelines result in no tropable content, then we should not have an article for the website.
Roleplays
Roleplays (RPs) are a special category of creative work in which real people are actively participating in the creation of an ongoing story, typically for an audience or for publication. Roleplays are treated like normal work articles, with the following caveats:In case it's not clear from these rules, TV Tropes is not your record-keeping site. Don't try it.
This has to go somewhere, just not here. I am thinking There Is No Such Thing as Notability although they'd need to be shortened drastically if so.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman